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Announcement

Pit for LM

10/25/2015 8:32 PM UTC

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Favorites, to battle! - 8

For the eighth time, we will compete for our favorite castle, prove its strength, delight viewers with interesting games and unconventional combinations. In this tournament, each player immediately chooses a faction that they will play throughout the tournament.
The first such tournament took place in 2008.
Conflux and Necropolis have twice celebrated victory; once, Fortress, Castle, and Rampart were the best.
What will happen now?

I. General questions.
1. Throughout the tournament, each participant plays as their chosen favorite faction.
2. Game version SoD 3.2 (4.0) + HD mod + HW_rules_mod patch. The latest stable version is currently available: as of early December 2015, HD mod 4.0 RC33, HW_rules_mod 1.38.
3. Color in bracket tables – for the initial seeding. Colors change after each SUBJECTIVE restart.
4. The choice of template is made by crossing out one from the list of 9 templates: 2SM4d(3), Balance, skirmish (at 200% difficulty), Jebus cross, Mini-Nostalgia, Diamond, 8mm6a, 6LM10a, and Spider. The player marked with blue in the table starts eliminating a template.
By mutual agreement, it is permissible to play on any other template. This issue must be discussed beforehand with the tournament judges.
5. If there are two identical factions in a match, then the template is chosen from the list: 2SM4d(3), Balance, skirmish (at 200% difficulty), Jebus cross, Mini-Nostalgia, Diamond, 8mm6a, 6LM10a, Spider, mir_diamond and mir_h3dm1.
In this case, players bargain for the right to choose the starting hero. Players take turns (first, the one marked red in the table, then - blue) crossing out one undesirable hero from the full list; then, the players inform each other how much gold they are willing to transfer to their opponent for the right to make the first choice among the remaining heroes. The player who offers the larger amount chooses the hero first and transfers the gold to his opponent.
On the mir_diamond and mir_h3dm1 templates, each player has one subjective restart at 111.
Also, on the mir_diamond and mir_h3dm1 templates, players negotiate over color. The player who offers the larger amount chooses which color he will play as and transfers the gold to his opponent.
6. Standard rules apply.
The default timer is chess clock style, with parameters specified in the rules.
Any changes to the game rules are allowed by mutual agreement of the players, except for changing the Favorite Castle and the Fair Play rule.
Additional rules for templates:
Mini-Nostalgia. The participant marked with blue in the table begins choosing computer opponents' castles. When the color changes, the selection is not repeated; the castles chosen by the player remain his secondary choices.
Diamond. The participant marked red in the table removes an extra (ninth) castle. If the favorite castles are identical, then red first removes one castle, then blue - a second.

II. Organizational questions.
1. This tournament is official and regular.
2. Tournament goals:
- to play as your favorite faction and try to prove its strength,
- to gain valuable experience and improve your gameplay.
3. The tournament is held according to the Rules for organizing, conducting, and participating in tournaments.
4. Players listed on the Blacklist and Penalty Bench are not allowed to participate in the tournament.
5. Tournament hosts and judges: Pit for LM (ICQ: 471401475) and
KobRa_RR (ICQ: 286406830).
If it is impossible to resolve a controversial issue independently, the judges will seek help from the AC.
The host has the right to make any changes to the regulations and rules during the tournament if necessary.
6. For each played match, participants must submit a report and confirmation in this thread, created automatically.
Saves of all matches must be saved until the end of the tournament and presented upon first request by the tournament host or any member of the AC.
7. Information about the progress of the tournament is updated as needed and is located at the beginning of this thread.
8. All games of the tournament go into the seasonal rating. The list of tournament reports is also located at the beginning of this thread.
9. The winner of the tournament and players who took 2nd and 3rd place will be awarded Medals under their avatar:

Award authors: RAPER and ColdRain.

III. Deadlines.
All participants in the tournament must strictly adhere to the announced deadlines:
1. Immediately after the start of the next stage or round, contact your opponents for preliminary arrangements for the games. Agreeing means reaching an agreement after negotiations and discussion. An offer without a response will not be considered an agreement.
2. Any temporary problems (with internet access, travel plans, personal matters) must be reported to the tournament hosts.
3. The preferred time for tournament games is daytime (12-24 Moscow time) on weekends and evening (19-24 Moscow time) on weekdays. If a participant cannot play at this time, the absence of a game result will be interpreted by the host in favor of his opponent.

Registration - October 25 – November 24, 2015.
Approval of the list of participants - November 25-29, 2015.
Bracket generation - November 30, 2015. The bracket will be generated taking into account the declared faction and the player's skill level based on the results of other tournaments.
Start of the tournament - December 1, 2015.

IV. Regulations.
The regulations will be determined after the end of registration, depending on the number of participants.
A standard format is planned: group stage and Full Double Elimination.

Winners of previous "Favorites, to battle!" tournaments:

"Favorites, to battle! - 1" (2008) - Dudge (Necropolis) - Tournament history
"Favorites, to battle! - 2" (2009) - Pit for LM (Conflux) - Tournament history
"Favorites, to battle! - 3" (2010) - Satir (Fortress) - Tournament history
"Favorites, to battle! - 4" (2011) - Maretti (Castle) - Tournament history
"Favorites, to battle! - 5" (2012-13) - GoD (Rampart) - Tournament history
"Favorites, to battle! - 6" (2013-14) - Pit for LM (Conflux) - Tournament history
"Favorites, to battle! - 7" (2014-15) - Pit for LM (Necropolis) - Tournament history

In the application, you must indicate the faction that you will play as.

In reply to Dirty_Player

=Lizard=

3/17/2016 12:16 PM UTC

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I was asked to share my thoughts, and I did. I think those who were interested have already read it, and my posts can now be safely deleted. They are not intended to challenge anyone's decision in this case. And, in my opinion, a forum is not just for dry information about games; if such things are written in a separate thread, they often lose their meaning. I'm just not the type to brush off being treated like an idiot.

http://ru.twitch.tv/lizard_wt

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Dima Surmay

3/17/2016 12:30 PM UTC

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that now, when loading an auto-save, you get 10 minutes, and then the turn is passed... and during this time, no one can move. But Lizard says that the opponent made a move.

=Lizard=

Loading - timer is 6 minutes, Gunnar is back on the troglodyte, then the movement begins...

On the skirmish map, you get 6:30 for a turn... this means that the opponent didn't make a new move, but rather, the opponent's words are confirmed, that there were 2 quick battles before the save.

But Cobra told us that the opponent has 2 saves, one after disconnecting, and another at the beginning of the turn. This raises the question: why did he save at the beginning of the turn?

In reply to =Lizard=

Noom

3/17/2016 12:32 PM UTC

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=Lizard=

I was asked to share, so I shared. I think those who were interested have already read it, and I can safely delete my posts. They do not challenge anyone's decision in this case. And the forum, in my opinion, is not just for dry information about games, and if such things are written in some separate topic, they often lose their meaning. I'm just not the type to wave away the fact that I'm being taken for a fool.

Kostya, there's a topic for such things in the AK section. What you're doing is just gossip (especially when the situation isn't explained, and a baseless claim is made without any arguments). Whether the arguments are conclusive or not is not important. But when there are no arguments at all in the message, it doesn't look very good.

Стримы HMM5 на полных картах мод TE:
ru.twitch.tv/noom11

Alex_nv - draw - Vovan112013 летос 236

alex_nv wrote: Наконец то нормальная игра с открытием половины карты.

In reply to Noom

=Lizard=

3/17/2016 12:47 PM UTC

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Noom

There's an AK topic for such things. What you're doing is just gossiping (especially when the situation isn't explained, and a baseless claim is made without any arguments). Whether the arguments are convincing or not is irrelevant. But when there are no arguments at all, it doesn't look good.

Yes, Sasha, I agree. But as I said here, in this case, I didn't want to argue about anything. I just shared the information so that other players would know that this could happen.

p.s. 2Dima Surmay: typo - yes, it was exactly 6-30 (and not 6), and his turn was restarted.

http://ru.twitch.tv/lizard_wt

In reply to =Lizard=

Noom

3/17/2016 1:18 PM UTC

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=Lizard=

I shared this information so that other players would know that this kind of thing can happen.

In your first message, you didn't provide any information other than your emotions, which provoked a corresponding reaction from me.

In reply to Noom

Jelen117

3/17/2016 3:20 PM UTC

Sir, could you please give me your password? Or at least give it a judge?

In reply to Jelen117

=Lizard=

3/17/2016 5:27 PM UTC

Sir, whats the sence of a password, when u already have no elder autosave? U can (and will) just show a new autosave and elder saves the beginning of turns, and no questions to u. My opinion about the situation will not change and will not make an influence. And i don't need it.

p.s. My password (as often usual): 3001

http://ru.twitch.tv/lizard_wt

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Jelen117

3/17/2016 5:37 PM UTC

Maybe I will do what I want with these saves? How about such an idea? I think you are obliged to give me your password or at least judges (but actually it is the same in the end).

Of course I don't want to change your opinion. There is completely no point and need to change YOUR opinion.

In reply to Dima Surmay

Dirty_Player

3/19/2016 5:41 AM UTC

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A brisk start on the surface, I have money and my own computer. The opponent has two native heroes, including Shakti. By the end of the week, I took my own computer. Everything is bad on the roads; because of a drowned zone (during Reddy's appearance on stream), 2 crucial directions were lost, while the opponent captured a bunch of Castles. On the 3rd week, I went into a treasure zone and took the Dragon Utopia, although there were only sandals there. I rushed home, learned Town Portal, and headed down the only road toward the opponent. I fell slightly short of the castle. On his turn, the opponent breaks my chain and moves to defend the castle. I didn't have time to bring some artifacts, including the helmet from AoD. It's a shame. Having Impl from the guild, I still decide to storm the castle, but there is a Book of Earth and 200+ mana. After the exchange, I buy my way out, but since there is nowhere to run, I decide not to continue. Thanks for the game.

Dirty_Player

Faction Инферно / Inferno

Start Hero Кэлх / Calh

Main Hero Десса / Dessa

Поражение / Lose

Nitro

Faction Подземелье / Dungeon

Start Hero Гуннар / Gunnar

Main Hero Галтран / Galthran

Map Template: Spider
Game Length: 142 days
Game Date: 3/19/2016
Reported: 3/19/2016 5:41 AM

Dirty_Player 1769 → 1756 -13 ↓

Nitro 1817 → 1830 +13 ↑

Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 3/19/2016 6:45 AM

In reply to Dima Surmay

Dirty_Player

3/19/2016 5:48 AM UTC

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After all the resets (two of which were block-in-block), the upper part collapsed, but the roads led to some unplayable mess. In the first week, I freed Solmyr from prison, with whose help I took control of town 1. That's where all the good things ended. The only road led to the corner treasure with a village. In the second week, I wandered through the off-road networks and captured a couple of villages. The opponent took his native companion. The army is larger, but only has 2 towns. In the third week, they saved and decided not to continue, agreeing to a draw. Thanks for the game.

Dirty_Player

Faction Инферно / Inferno

Start Hero Октавия / Octavia

Main Hero Нимусса / Nymus

Ничья / Draw

GUNAR

Faction Сопряжение / Conflux

Start Hero Луна / Luna

Main Hero Луна / Luna

Map Template: 6lm10a
Game Length: 133 days
Game Date: 3/19/2016
Reported: 3/19/2016 5:48 AM

Dirty_Player 1753 → 1743 -10 ↓

GUNAR 1476 → 1486 +10 ↑

Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 3/19/2016 5:59 AM

In reply to Dirty_Player

GUNAR

3/19/2016 5:59 AM UTC

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Thank you for playing!

In reply to Dirty_Player

Nitro

3/19/2016 6:45 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

A brisk start on the surface, there's money, a home computer. The opponent has two home heroes, including Shakti. By the end of the week, I took the home computer. Everything is bad on the roads; due to the drowned zone (during Reddy's appearance on stream), 2 critical directions were lost, while the opponent captured a bunch of castles. On the 3rd week, I went into the treasure zone and took the Dragon Utopia, although there were only sandals there. I rushed home, learned Town Portal, and headed down the only road toward the opponent. I didn't quite reach the castle. On his turn, the opponent breaks my chain and moves to defend the castle. I didn't have time to bring some artifacts, including the helmet from AoD. It's a shame. Having Impl from the guild, I still decide to storm the castle, but there is a book of earth and 200+ mana. After the trade, I buy my way out, but since there is nowhere to run, I decide not to continue. Thanks for the game.

Thanks for the game.

ICQ 627769385

In reply to =Lizard=

Roger-ua

3/19/2016 8:49 AM UTC

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=Lizard=

1. We played with his auto-save, at the moment his timer was 0. What is this nonsense about "2 quick battles"? It's a pity I didn't manage to take screenshots with the save dates; such players still need to be taught a lesson. So, he loads his auto-save, and then Gunnar, who was standing in an open field on a troglodyte (and clearly hadn't had time to simply move), runs away from his position. I ask in ICQ - what are you doing? Why aren't you passing the turn? He says he's "thinking." I think, "Wow, you already took your turn, surely you don't think I've forgotten everything in the last 1.5 months." Never mind, let's move on.

2. After 10 minutes, given for "thinking," the player simply exits, saying he's "thought it over" and is now loading (when asked if he couldn't have thought while I was taking my turn, he replies, "didn't understand"). He loads - the timer is 6 minutes, Gunnar is again on the troglodyte, and then movement begins... I needed to leave urgently, I come back, take my turn, and review the opponent's turn - I realize that the turn was simply replayed, but I have no proof in the form of screenshots or my own saves; I was simply made to look like a fool. Okay, I think, let's finish the game like this; the game itself was very interesting. I managed to get out of a difficult situation, survive until the late game, and put up a fight, but in the end, 2 logistics units set up a simple checkmate in 3 moves.

3. I simply write to the person, "Thank you for the game," but I note that I really didn't like those manipulations with the saves. The person continues to play dumb and writes "???".

4. I delete him from ICQ without further conversation. It's simple. Let him enjoy his great victory.

I read Lizard's message; there are no clear complaints, and he doesn't appeal to the admins. After the disputed draw with Noom, I think it's some kind of mess. I watched football, went to bed, and then I remember that something similar happened to me in a game with yelen117.

There was simply my save, and his exit at the beginning of his turn (I didn't find confirmation of the disconnection in ICQ, although disconnection is possible, as I wanted to continue that evening; it's not so important). I write that I'll load my auto-save, he can think, and then either after 10 minutes or load from his save and take his turn. He writes, "Okay, come in." I think, "So he doesn't need to think, he wants to go right away." I come in, but he writes that he's "thinking" (on his turn), and then he'll load again, and I leave. I write to him that this is, to put it mildly, not right, and I ask him if he's trying to cheat on me.

I'll print out the ICQ conversation.

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:52)
come in

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:54)
let me think

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:54)
and we'll load again

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:55)
?

Roger Cool (12.01.2016 13:55)
In that case, load my save

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:55)
it doesn't make a difference

Roger Cool (12.01.2016 13:55)
then either pass the turn

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:55)
in general

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:55)
well, whatever

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:55)
load it then

Roger Cool (12.01.2016 13:55)
so you can move now

Roger Cool (12.01.2016 13:56)
for example, scout around

Roger Cool (12.01.2016 13:56)
there is a difference

Roger Cool (12.01.2016 13:56)
I said right away that we load my save

Roger Cool (12.01.2016 13:56)
are you trying to trick me?

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:56)
ok

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:57)
lil

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:57)
if we load my save

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:57)
yeah

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:57)
what can be scouted

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:57)
well, yes, you're right

Roger Cool (12.01.2016 13:57)
+

Jan Kowalski (12.01.2016 13:57)
I didn't think about it

Roger Cool (12.01.2016 13:57)
let's chalk it up to your inexperience

I won't draw conclusions about the Lizard - yelen117 game; let the judges decide. I also sent this information to Cobra and Dirty.

Весна 2013.

In reply to Roger-ua

Jelen117

3/19/2016 1:23 PM UTC

Roger-ua

some text

Here the situation was different. I told Lizard to load his save but he wrote that he was in work and didn't have his saves. Our situation took place shortly after 10 minutes option was introduced. I thought it was a standard practice that players trust each other and when they load saves it is assumptive that they don't move with any of their heroes. Same as it is assumptive that they do the same moves after crashes, discons.

Please tell me now what I could have scouted:
145 screen
http://imgur.com/wyqjXvQ
146 timer, 5:28, almost 6:30
http://puu.sh/nM5QN/a07028a982.jpg
My possibilities of scouting 146:
http://imgur.com/a/5fiIK

The truth is you got perfect treasure, double of dung with a dwell of mantis and still couldn't win because you spent like 2 weeks doing nothing in your towns. Just sitting there and guarding them, no development since your rush. This time I cleared 1 big treasure which gave me all I needed. You clear 1 treasure, lack of red orb and recanters, what are you doing? Sitting in towns and waiting for my Deemer with armageddon. :)

As I wrote earlier, you knew that we load my saves and I wrote you which saves I'm going to load and why. You knew it is all based on truth or we play another day when you can load your saves. You agreed so I can only be sorry that you lost to курваленка117.

Here I upload my 145 and 146 after 2 fast battles:
http://speedy.sh/wn2U6/145.GM2
http://speedy.sh/4Negm/lizard-146-save-5-30.GM2
My pass ewX, his 3001

In reply to Jelen117

=Lizard=

3/19/2016 2:17 PM UTC

If Jelen117 doesn't understand even the fact that his gaming was poor (before manipulations with saves) and my was economically ideal, there are simply no words. Wish him a such double dung with manti dwell in every game:cool:.

p.s. I have no idea, why Jelen117 still justifies hisself, the situation is forgotten and the result is given.

http://ru.twitch.tv/lizard_wt