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This tactic has been tested over the years and has rarely failed me; it is designed for a quick victory – after leaving the castle, I rarely return.
-Yes, of course, you have to sacrifice other structures, but they might not even be needed; angels and wyverns are enough.
-We don't need vampires to make our lives easier; that's the job of the angels.
-Please tell me how and with what units can I break the "can" on week 2.
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Here are a couple of questions.
1) Was the tactic tested against the computer or a human player?
2) On what size maps do you expect to achieve a quick victory?
3) And what will you do if the map doesn't have any Sanctuaries or Hive, or has very few?
4) Which Castle do you think is unsuitable for blocking a Sanctuary on the 2nd week? (so I don't have to repeat the tactics for playing with all the Castles - you can read that in the relevant topics).
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please:
-I stopped playing against the AI a long time ago, so the tactics were only tested against other players.
-on XL maps with dungeons, experience shows that the game rarely lasts more than 2-3 months.
-there are, of course, such maps, but they are very rare... I think it depends on the map generator or the template they are created from, I don't know for sure.
-the minimum can be almost anything, but larger ones are already a problem, and with vampires, the maximum is easily defeated without losses (a dozen skeletons don't count).
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please:
-I stopped playing against the AI a long time ago, so the tactics were only tested against human players.

That's commendable!
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-on XL with a dungeon, experience shows that the game rarely lasts more than 2-3 months.

But that's questionable! Even against the AI (I play against 7 AI opponents), completing an XL map with a dungeon in two months is difficult.
And playing XL with a dungeon against a human... if it's one-on-one, you might be able to finish it in three months, but how much real time will that take (probably 6-8 hours)?
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-there are, of course, such maps, but they are very rare... I think it depends on the map generator or the template by which they are created; I don't know for sure.

Well, on XL, at least one conservatory should definitely appear, but the probability is about the same as finding Utopias and Pandora. In general, random maps are not always a good thing.
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-you can almost always handle the minimum, but larger ones are a problem, and with vampires, the maximum is easily defeated without losses (a dozen skeletons don't count).

As far as I know, the maximum is 4 stacks of 50 griffons each, plus 50 Royal Griffons. And how can 12 vampires and various minor units defeat them?
I think that even with 5 stacks of 30 griffons, vampires won't always be able to handle it.
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well, to quickly find an opponent on the map, there's a good spell – air view.
-I only play 1-on-1 without any AI, so there's no need to get distracted by minor things – you go and eliminate the opponent as quickly as possible. I understand that we're discussing Necropolis tactics against Conflux, and if that's the case, then you can't afford to be slow.
-The maximum number of Griffons is 5 stacks of 40 each; they're very easy to defeat. You just need to corner them – then the Vampire only defends against two Griffons, while the rest graze nearby).
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Slow and Vampires in the corner. A constant battle is waged only with two stacks of Griffons (if not fewer). A retaliatory strike combined with an ability is a serious argument. The chance of Conservatory appearing is higher than the chance of Utopia appearing. Phoenixes are not much better than Spectral Dragons, but the opponent will have at least twice as many:))). Fairies, together with Phoenixes, will be very appealing to your Vampire Lords; they will become friends. Elementals will move first. But if the Phoenixes fly up in a friendly manner, the skeletons can talk to them. In their own language. Taking into account the number. Death Knights are a serious argument, but the problem is that the opponent will have approximately the same number of Phoenixes, or even more. With a full army, the opponent may have two units of archers. This is not good, however, Elementals are vulnerable to various types of magic. Angels can play a little better for Necropolis than for Elementals, due to the hero likely having higher stats. In terms of magic for Necropolis in this battle, in addition to Slow, Haste, and powerful damage spells, naturally, Raise Dead and Teleport will also be good. Unexpectedly teleported skeletons can deprive the opponent of, for example, Phoenixes. Regarding revivals. After killing the Phoenixes, don't forget to stand on their corpses with your unit. Otherwise, they may start to be revived. Remember that with an equal amount of mana and magic power (and also with an equal level of Earth magic), the one with Raise Dead usually wins against the one with Revive - less mana is needed. Tantus can learn Raise Dead.

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Well, to quickly find an opponent on the map, there's a good spell – Air View.
-I only play 1-on-1, without any AI, so there's no need to get distracted by minor details. You go and eliminate the opponent as quickly as possible. I understand that we're discussing the Necromancer's tactics against a combined army, and if that's the case, you can't afford to be slow.
-The maximum number of Griffons is 5 stacks of 40 each; they're very easy to defeat. You just need to corner them. Then, the Vampire only defends against two Griffons, while the rest graze nearby.
I still don't understand how you plan to defeat two hundred Griffons with 12 Vampires.
1) Notice that all corners are occupied by Griffons from the very beginning.
2) You can't delay your turn because even a single regular Griffon will reach you. What if there are 40 Royal Griffons?
3) The Vampire himself has rather poor attack and damage stats, so 12 Vampires will probably eliminate 5-6 Griffons, while those, in turn, will kill a Vampire with 4 or 5 bites.
4) You probably need a hero with at least level 10 and decent magic (including Raise Dead) and maybe a couple of good artifacts – then it might be possible. But it's not a given that you'll have all of that by the second week.
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Okay... I already explained that the whole point is that you don't have to immediately attack two hundred units! You're just defending against two stacks of griffons.
-I personally start as a Vampire in the first cell next to the griffin, so it frees up a space for me, and then I move into the corner and attack it.
-And then you have some magic and a little bit of meat! Or, better yet, just create a map and try it yourself, and you won't have to prove anything to anyone.
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I don't know how you do it, but I can't manage to kill them when there are 40. I can kill 10, 20, or 30, but not 40... I try with Wakial or Galtran (because of the Shield) at level 1. It turns out that Griffons kill 4 vampires with one hit (with the Shield), and accordingly, 8 vampires only restore 2... it's not enough somehow...
However, I have no doubt that it's possible...
Question for those who managed to do it: what were the primary stats of the hero, and what magic did you use?
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And what does the shield have to do with it? It's meant to protect against ranged attacks...
The key magic is slowing.

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But what about the shield? It's meant to protect against ranged attacks...
The key magic is slowing.
Shields come in different types... :)
There's also one that helps in melee combat (earth).
And slowing isn't critical – anyway, more than two stacks of griffins can't fight vampires at the same time (in the corner of the field). But I also agree that 12 vampires won't stand against two hundred griffins without a hero with at least 10/10 stats. And that's very doubtful in the second week...
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Shields come in different varieties... :)
There's also one that helps in melee combat (earth).
And the slowdown isn't critical – anyway, more than two stacks of griffins can't fight vampires at the same time (in the corner of the battlefield). However, I also agree that 12 vampires won't stand against two hundred griffins without a hero with at least 10/10 stats. And that's very doubtful in the second week...

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As a reminder, it was also mentioned about the material for the "otman" (presumably a specific unit or creature). The idea is that in the first round of battle, griffins should attack someone other than the vampires. Massive slowing in the first round allows you to curse the griffins in the second round, which they are quite susceptible to. Adding spells that increase the damage of the vampires, due to their ability, is quite effective. Of course, there should be a sufficient number of vampires remaining during the battle, and to achieve this, you can also enhance their defensive properties.

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Just to reiterate, it was also mentioned that there should be fodder for the griffons. So that in the first round of battle, the griffons attack someone other than the vampires.
In the first round of the battle, the vampires will only face one stack of upgraded griffons. The vampires immediately take their place and are no longer afraid of anyone. Slowing them down is unnecessary :) Losing units as fodder for the griffons is not rational. If the vampires can survive in principle, there will be exactly 12 of them at the end of the battle. Otherwise, there will be zero. :) Mass slowing (as well as a curse) is practically impossible to have in the second week...
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In the first round of the battle, the Vampires will only manage to take out one stack of upgraded Griffins. The Vampires immediately take their place and are no longer afraid of anyone.
I don't understand... how? Shouldn't the Vampires kill this stack in one hit?

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