Discussion of third-tier monsters. — General

Aland

19 years ago

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I like monks (priests), especially when there are many of them.

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OptiMAL

19 years ago

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I like monks (priests), especially when there are many of them :)

Monks still aren't quite right... they use bows, and if you get close to them, they're done for... but you can also fly up to them.

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BASON

19 years ago

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The best Tier 3 unit is the Sorceress!

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Alex Ghost

19 years ago

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The best Tier 3 unit is the Sorceress!

The Tier 3 Sorceress only lacks in hit points – otherwise, she's comparable to a Tier 4 unit – with teleportation, spells, and high damage!
I think the Vampire is the best, as in large numbers, it can successfully defeat anyone, even Black Dragons. It's a pity it's not effective against machines and elementals.

Lu41k

19 years ago

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I like Djinns! Mostly because of Illusion, and of course, because of Ice Bolt! But I would also highlight Vampires, because of their ability to restore health, and as Alex Ghost correctly pointed out, they are indispensable against Black Dragons! Magic won't work here! In general, Vampires are strong in Heroes of Might and Magic IV! They have more damage and health than in Heroes of Might and Magic V! I could have voted for both Djinns and Vampires! But I choose Djinns – they are closer to me.

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Aland

19 years ago

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Monks aren't quite right... they use ranged attacks, and if you get close to them, they're done for... But you can also fly up to them.

If there are enough of them, it will only take away 1 turn from them. If there are few, infantry can handle it. :)

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OptiMAL

19 years ago

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if there are enough of them, then it will only take 1 turn away from them. If there are few, the infantry can. :)

Let's take nature, for example. It has many flying units (fairies, griffins, mantises, phoenixes). Even death has many (imp, vampire, dragon, devil). The monks simply won't have time to chop them all up. And what kind of infantry do you have? Please write down the creatures you recruit in the Castle of Life.

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Alex Ghost;87562

I think the vampire is the best, as in large numbers it can successfully defeat anyone, even Black Dragons. It's a pity that it can't handle mechanisms and elementals.

Vampires 3/week, Black Dragons 1/week. Usually, there are 3-4 Black Dragons at a normal level among the neutrals. But when you have a lot of vampires (and it's problematic to recruit a lot of them, because focusing on necromancy will lead to a hero leveling problem), then there will be a lot of Black Dragons as well. Vampires are good mainly against levels 1 and 2.

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Alex Ghost

19 years ago

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Vampires 3/week, Champions of Dungeon 1/week. Usually, the number of neutral Champions of Dungeon is around 3-4 at a normal level. But when you have a lot of vampires (and it's problematic to get a lot of them, because focusing on necromancy will lead to a hero leveling issue), then there will be a lot of Champions of Dungeon as well. Vampires are good mainly against levels 1 and 2.

It's okay - especially if you have dwellings nearby, which allow you to level up for money or just like that. This way, after a battle, 2 or 3 vampires appear, or even 5 - but that's closer to level 40. And if battles happen 2 times a day, it's better for the Champions of Dungeon to rest. I would like to compare 100 Champions of Dungeon and 300 vampires - who would win? I think the vampires would. And if you also consider that magic doesn't work on the Champions of Dungeon, but it works on the vampires, then with a couple of extra bonuses like double damage and something else, the Champions of Dungeon are doomed!

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OptiMAL

19 years ago

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It's okay - especially if you have houses nearby, where you can level up for money or just like that))) That way, after a battle, you get 2 or 3 vampires, or even 5 - but that's closer to level 40. And if battles happen 2 times a day, it's better for the Champions to rest. I'd like to compare 100 Champions and 300 vampires - who would win))) I think the vampires would. And if you also consider that magic doesn't work on the Champions, but it works on the vampires, and add a couple of extra bonuses like double damage and something else, then the Champions are doomed!

Still, I think that 100 Champions would win

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Aland

19 years ago

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Let's take nature as an example. It has many flying units (fairies, griffins, mantises, phoenixes). Even death has them (demon, vampire, dragon, devil). Monks simply won't be able to cut them all down. And what kind of infantry do you have? Please list the creatures you recruit in the Castle.

Squires, spearmen, hero, champion.

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OptiMAL

19 years ago

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Squires, pikemen, hero, champion.

You need to protect the hero. If he dies, you can consider it a loss, as the hero's tactics help the army. Monks counter fairies. Squires, pikemen, and champions will fight phoenixes, praying mantises, griffins, fairies, and summoned creatures. The Crusader is indispensable here. He has an excellent double strike and provides a bonus to the hero's defense and attack.

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Aland

19 years ago

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You need to protect your hero. If he dies, you can consider the game lost, as the hero's tactics are crucial for supporting the army. Monks counter fairies. Squires, spearmen, and champions will fight phoenixes, manticores, griffins, fairies, and summoned creatures. The Crusader is indispensable here, with his excellent double strike and bonus to hero attack and defense.

Haven only has the Djinn as a flying unit (though they mostly use spells).
Necropolis has the Imp, Ghost, Vampire, and Devil (or Bone Dragon).
Life has only the Angel.
Nature has fairies, griffins, phoenixes (or magic dragons, but they mostly use spells), and manticores (or air elementals).
Fortress has harpies and storm birds.
Chaos has ifrits and black dragons.

Conclusion: Monks are good against Life and/or Haven. You can use either Monks or Crusaders against Fortress and Chaos. Against Nature and Necropolis, only Crusaders are effective.

LeSHiJ-MaX

19 years ago

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I always played with monks, but yesterday we played on a map that was simply incredibly difficult (the problem was that we were playing on the same computer, and the opponent was developing much faster; I could see this, and the question of resources arose). In general, I built Crusaders, and the result surprised us very much. In the battle with neutrals, they were simply feared; everyone avoided fighting them and went past them to the heroes (the Crusaders have slightly less defense than the Angels).
(VERSION 3.51) I think that's the key.
P.S. Hello, Pandora (this version has many good and correct changes).

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OptiMAL

19 years ago

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Haven only has Djinns that can fly (though they mostly summon them).
Necropolis has Imps, Ghosts, Vampires, and Devils (or Bone Dragons).
Castle only has Angels.
Sylvan has Fairies, Griffins, and Phoenixes (or Magic Dragons, but they mostly summon them), and Mantises (or Air Elementals).
Fortress has Harpies and Storm Birds.
Dungeon has Ifrits and Black Dragons.

Therefore, Monks are good against Castle and/or Haven. With Fortress and Dungeon, you can use both Monks and Crusaders. Against Sylvan and Necropolis, only Crusaders are effective.

Against Haven, only Crusaders are needed. You forgot about forgetfulness. Against Castle, Crusaders are also better. Who else will help take down Angels if not them?