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Offline AlexeyPank
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The Celts were a large group of tribes related to the Germans. They lived in an area ranging from Ireland to Germany. So, the Gauls were not exactly Celts, but they were closely related. Moreover, the term "Gauls" was used to refer to all the inhabitants of Gaul, and there were many different peoples living there.
As for modern names, they are more likely to be of Indo-European origin.
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Pardon, can I ask a question that's not exactly about history, but rather about the history of translations? Because, may darkness consume the translators, but which is correct: Fernir or Fenrir?




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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Fernir or Fenrir???

Fenrir/Fenris.

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Wait a minute. After all, "Clotilda" = "Chlothild", "Bertrand" = "Bertramn", "Genevieve" = "Geneva". And I won't even mention "Frederick". Also, "Adalbert"/"Albert". And also "Hilda" and "Bertha".
And Hitler... "Avdulf" - "Adulf" - "Adolf".
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Keep in mind that all these names still have deeper roots. In general, modern names usually have the following prototypes: Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. Proper Germanic names are something like Vercingetorix. There aren't many of those now (or almost none).
And in general, all European names are Indo-European. They just don't delve that deep.
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I wonder, could a husband sell his wife or children into slavery? Or give them away as slaves to pay off debts?

He could, it seems... this "good tradition" gradually disappeared. I remember being in shock when I read the Code of Hammurabi. It contained even more shocking things!
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Keep in mind that all these names still have deeper roots. In general, modern names usually have the following prototypes: Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. Essentially, Germanic names are something like Vercingetorix. There aren't many of those now (or almost none).
And in general, all European names are Indo-European. They just don't delve that deep.

Indo-European roots are present even in the Baltic languages, not to mention Germanic ones. :)
I remember Latin names like "Julia," Greek names like "Basil," and Hebrew names like "Mary."
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Well, actually, Germans are all the tribes that settled in Western Europe, especially in Germany, France, and partly in Spain and Italy. Take all the tribes of the Great Migration: Franks, Swabians, Alemanni, Burgundians, Goths, Gepids. They are all Germans. The only exception was the Huns. So, the name Vercingetorix is quite a Germanic name.
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Hmm... Who are the Vandals? *I submitted it a long time ago, I've already forgotten.* Ah, here, I found it. Germans - Visigoths, Vandals, Ostrogoths, Burgundians, Franks, Lombards. And something about the roots in the names... Pandora The other day, I was quoting the most colorful passages from the Salic Law to my father. If something like that happened in our time, anyone would have become rich by using insults directed at themselves.
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The other day, I was quoting the most colorful passages from the Salic Law to my father.
If something like that existed today, anyone would have become rich by using insults directed at themselves.

I also recommend reading Hammurabi to fully appreciate it: D. It's really worth it.

Maybe someone can suggest a website where I can find sources like the Gothic and Erfurt programs, and the Triple Alliance. I need it by Friday.
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Do you mean what it is, or its actual content?

Well, Hammurabi, yes...
But about insults and other things...

I wonder why almost everyone who writes about the Franks and other barbarians are priests? :eek:
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I didn't find the actual texts. But here is something about the Gothic and Erfurt programs: http://www.i-u.ru/biblio/archive/novgorodcev_ob/06.aspx. Also http://fw.mega.dp.ua/bse/Bse/STRU-YA/3017.htm, this is from a dictionary.

And why did priests write them? It's very simple — they were missionaries and lived among these tribes, so they knew more about them. Besides priests, commanders also wrote — Caesar, for example. Simply put, whoever had closer contact with the foreigners was the one who wrote.
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I couldn't find the actual texts. But here's some information about the Gotha and Erfurt programs: http://www.i-u.ru/biblio/archive/novgorodcev_ob/06.aspx. Also, http://fw.mega.dp.ua/bse/Bse/STRU-YA/3017.htm, this is from a dictionary.

Thank you, this will also be useful. I'll go to the library to look for the texts. ;)
It's interesting why almost everyone who writes about the Franks and other barbarians are priests?

Well, probably also because they knew how to write... Almost the only ones who did. And as AlexeyPank already pointed out, they were also people of higher status, like Caesar, etc.
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No, I mean now. Either students or priests. But back then, only priests and monks knew how to write.
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I don't know about that. Where did you get this information? I've never seen a description of the Franks from modern priests.
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I was also, to put it mildly, surprised – they were enemies of Christianity. Besides, only barbarians and Chinese people wore trousers. :smile29:
One of the priests was analyzing the same "Salic Law" and wrote an article. Another priest posted all these things on his website – "Salic Law" and "Historia Francorum." But the website is partly dedicated to history.
So, was Clovis canonized or not (there are discrepancies again)? It seems like there was no reason to do so... Vladimir of Kyiv quickly reformed after converting to Christianity, but Clovis didn't even think about it.
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