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I read the discussions... Here are a few more words in defense of the Swamp ;) They often learn water magic... And 3 levels of magic are enough - trust me! An expert teleportation spell of the 3rd level for 3 mana is a dream come true!!!!!!!! Hydro-elementals in a group of enemies - it's terrifying! The snakes will fly over and remove all the useful things from the opponents... Gorgons are BEASTS! Use them exclusively against higher-level creatures. Wyverns are good when you have them at the beginning of the game... The only downsides of the Swamp are the few ranged units and the high wood costs. That's it.
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
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Oops! What topic have I stumbled upon again? =))) Why is it that whenever a topic about a Castle comes up, there are always people who say that this Castle is the worst (like in the Inferno topic, for example). I keep repeating that the balance in Heroes is almost perfect. You just need to know how to play each Castle... Each Castle has its own tactics, and the Swamp is no exception. To capture Castles for this city, take Ballistics. You get them quite often in this Castle. Break through the gates in 1-2 turns, and crush all the enemy units inside with Hydras!!! If you don't like Ballistics, catch the heroes in the field. When playing, don't focus on the downsides while ignoring the advantages; do the opposite, and you'll see that the Swamp is actually quite strong! Swampy terrain is a huge advantage for the Swamp! There is no penalty on other terrains, or it is much smaller! (the exception is snow - the penalty is also high there, but lower than in the Swamp). In general, when moving across the main territories, Swamp creatures are on par with the others, even with those for whom "grass" is their native land. But on the Swamp, Swamp creatures move twice as fast!
In general, if you think that the Castle is weak, then forget about the others and learn to play with this one =)))) You can play equally well with ALL of them! The main thing is desire!!!

The balance in Heroes is NOT IDEAL!!! (a prime example of this is Necropolis and Conflux). In most normal championships, these Castles are banned.
To capture Castles for this city, take Ballistics. You get them quite often in this Castle. Break through the gates in 1-2 turns, and crush all the enemy units inside with Hydras!!! ---Oh, how beautifully it all sounds... go inside and crush the enemy... :)
But to crush the enemy forces behind the gates, you need to have more of your own troops there. But when playing against a human, Hydras will just stand at the broken gates (even better if they are not in the moat :)), slowed down, and blocked by a group of weak units.
Without proper MAGIC, ARCHERS, and SERIOUS "air" SUPPORT, it will be extremely difficult to capture Castles defended by a human... but the computer does it itself by withdrawing its forces
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---Oh, how beautifully it all sounds... go inside and crush the enemy... :)
But to crush the enemy behind the gates, you need to have more of your own troops there... but when playing against a human, Hydras will just stand at the broken gates (even better if they're not in the moat :)), slowed down by the slowing effect, and blocked by a pack of weak units.
Without proper MAGIC, ARCHERS, and SERIOUS "air" SUPPORT, capturing castles defended by a human will be extremely difficult... but the computer does it easily :)
I'll repeat - see my post above... Expert Teleport will solve all your problems! ;) Good luck mastering the swamp!
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Ta Kotoraya...;85625
I read the discussions... Again, a few words in defense of the Swamp ;) They often learn water magic... And 3 levels of magic - but that's more than enough! Believe me... Expert teleportation, level 3, for 3 mana - that's a dream!!!!!!!!!!! A bunch of Hydras against a group of enemies - it's terrible! The snakes will fly over and take away all the useful things from the enemies... Gorgons are BEASTS! Use them exclusively against creatures of higher levels. Wyverns are good when you have them at the beginning of the game... The only downsides of the Swamp are the few archers and the high wood costs. That's it.

Water magic... oh, what beauty, you can move mountains with it in the game... you can teleport a hero to any of your cities from anywhere on the map... make 4-step teleportations across the map, create powerful explosions, and raise fallen warriors... :)
The only useful spells in this book are Mass Heal and Remove Curse, Prayer, and the infamous Teleport. Only the first two spells are not very effective for the Swamp; they are like trying to catch water with a fork... as they were, they will remain in most cases, and the opponent will have the last turn, and regarding Teleport, please, throw them without the support of other forces, such as Hydras, into the castle... they will be buried there.

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I repeat - see my post above... Expert teleportation will solve all your problems! ;) Good luck mastering the Swamp!
I HAVE NEVER PLAYED and I WILL NEVER PLAY THEM!!! especially against decent opponents on large maps
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Well, well... I wish you luck in your online battles against the Swamp faction! Have fun.... By the way, the maps there are often far from High Level – so magic above level 1-2 won't be very effective for you! But the Swamp faction will have defense... and wyverns at the beginning of the game... Guess what that will lead to?;)
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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In Heroes, the balance is NOT IDEAL!!! (a prime example is Necropolis and Conflux). In most normal championships, these castles are banned.
To take castles with this city, take Ballistics... it's often given in this castle. Break through the gates in 1-2 turns, and crush all the enemy units that have gathered inside with Hydras!!! ---Ah, how beautifully it all sounds... climb inside and crush the enemy... :)
But to crush the enemy forces behind the gates, you need to have more of your own troops there... but when playing against a human, the Hydras will just stand at the broken gates (even better if not in the moat :)), slowed down by the slow effect, and blocked by some weak units.
Without proper MAGIC, ARCHERS, and SERIOUS "air" SUPPORT, it will be extremely difficult to capture castles defended by a human... but the computer does it itself :)

I must admit, I haven't played with Rampart for several years ;)
So, I just play sometimes... on S-levels against 7 computers... That's why, when discussing castles, I don't even talk about playing against the computer... I don't see the point in it...

Slowed down by the slow effect... And we'll rush them... or heal them, depending on what we get... we still have important early levels - don't say that we don't have magic at all... Tanya was right that water is often given here... And if you're not an idiot :D, you won't put a Hydra in the moat to stand there ))) good flying support is available... Vipers and Serpents....

And I disagree about the imperfect balance... There is always a solution for everything... For Necropolis, there is a tactic (discussed in particular in the topic "How to defeat Garthan"), for Conflux, there is the expert spell "Curse"... It's just that it's easier to play against some factions, and harder against others, but there are NO BAD CASTLES! THERE ARE JUST PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY WITH THEM ;)

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And playing against Swamp on a Random HL... oh... How many Vipers do you think I can gather in the Serpent Nests????
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Ta Kotoraya...;85640
Well, well... I wish you luck in online battles against the Swamp! Good luck.... By the way, the maps there are often far from High Level – so magic above level 1-2 won’t be very effective for you! But the Swamp will have defense... and wyverns at the beginning of the game... Guess what that will lead to?;)

I rarely play small maps... it's not interesting.
But even if I did, I would never choose the Swamp, or Barbarians, or Inferno... YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO PLAY FOR THE LONG TERM... and as for quick attacks, that only works against the computer... you'll never fool a serious human opponent with such clownery.
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What are we betting on? =) That this isn't just clowning around??? And that most of the maps are small, designed for duels, and that's why they're played??? I'm not even talking about non-duel maps.... on week 3, you usually can't do much against 10 Wyverns....

If you want to convince me, play against me ))) otherwise, there's NO OTHER WAY =))))))))))
Лишь в споре рождается истина!!!
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What are we betting on? =) That this isn't a farce??? And that most duels are played on small maps, and games aren't duels at all... I'm not even talking about non-duel games... On week 3, against 10 Wyverns, there's usually nothing to counter them with...

If you want to convince me, play against me ))) otherwise, there's NO OTHER WAY =))))))))))

On weeks 3-4, Necromancers visit Utopias... and you're talking about 10 Wyverns... A skilled Necromancer, with a bit of luck, can gather up to 500 skeletons in 3 weeks... and sometimes even more.

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To be honest, I haven't played with S-comps for several years ;)
I just play occasionally... against 7 AI opponents... That's why, when discussing castles, I don't even talk about playing against the AI... I don't see the point in it...

Slowed down by Slow... And we'll speed them up... or heal them, depending on what we get... we still have important early-game units - don't talk as if we don't have any magic at all... Tanya was right, Water is often given... And if you're not an idiot :D, you won't put a Hydra on the rampart to just stand there ))) good flying support is available... Wyverns and Snakes....

I disagree about the imperfect balance... There's always a way to counter everything... Against Necromancers, with tactics (as discussed in the "How to defeat Garthan" topic), against Conflux, with the expert spell "Curse"... It's just that some are easier to play against than others, but there are NO BAD CASTLES! There are just people who don't know how to play them ;)

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And playing on a Random XL map against Swamp... ugh... How many Wyverns do you think I'll gather in the Snake Pits????

Slowed down by Slow... And we'll speed them up... or heal them, depending on what we get... we still have important early-game units - don't talk as if we don't have any magic at all...
Yes... you have some magic... but only one essential detail... you'll use it with little benefit to yourself... in most cases, your opponent will always have the right of last choice, due to having the fastest unit - AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT!

I disagree about the imperfect balance... There's always a way to counter everything... Against Necromancers, with tactics (as discussed in the "How to defeat Garthan" topic), against Conflux, with the expert spell "Curse"... It's just that some are easier to play against than others, but there are NO BAD CASTLES! There are just people who don't know how to play them ;)
Well, yes, in most championships, only idiots play, and most of my friends who have been playing Heroes for as long as they can remember think that Necromancer and Conflux are overpowered... only you, sir, have a different opinion... but that's your business. I won't argue about this anymore.

And playing on a Random XL map against Swamp... ugh... How many Wyverns do you think I'll gather in the Snake Pits????
And how many Champions do you think a player from the North will gather on the same map, or how many Black Knights will a Necromancer from the South gather (along with 5 tons of skeletons)... or how many Spirit Telepaths will a player playing as Conflux gather? IT'S SILLY TO ARGUE ABOUT THIS!:)
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In the snake pit, champions aren't given out, and black knights are even less likely to appear... :D So you're right, "IT'S SILLY TO ARGUE ABOUT THIS" :D

Well, let's just say that finding a utopia is still a challenge... and the game might end in 3-4 weeks... The Swamp is one of those castles that can also be used to easily conquer utopias, and then it's just luck – whoever gets what... but I don't think that's what we're discussing... I've been playing Heroes since I can remember, and there's no need to refer to other players...
I agree that the Conflux and Necropolis have several advantages... But read about how many tactics there are for fighting against them... so I fundamentally disagree with you... Every castle has its own advantages and disadvantages! Playing to the strengths of a castle can lead to victory... playing to its weaknesses will inevitably lead to defeat ;)

I said what method could possibly convince me... but you seem to have ignored it... :(

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And against the Necropolis, a fast-paced game is exactly what's needed... letting the Necropolis survive until the second month is like signing your own death warrant... But the Swamp can easily defeat the Necropolis in the early stages of the game... And after that, it will be difficult for any castle... So it's not right to attribute this to the weakness of the Swamp. =)
Лишь в споре рождается истина!!!
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2 samadura You said everything that could be said in one sentence: "I HAVE NEVER PLAYED and I WILL NEVER PLAY THESE GAMES!!!"... after that, there is no point in arguing with you... You DON'T KNOW how to play with this faction, you DON'T KNOW anything about its strengths...

I don't want to repeat my own posts from this thread (and not only mine), where the strengths are described and how to use them. If you want, you can read them (there are only five pages in the thread), then THINK, and only after that decide what to write in the thread...
Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.
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Yes, colleague, there's nothing particularly groundbreaking about Samadura.
The city, despite its low popularity, holds many hidden and interesting aspects. Its low popularity is the reason for the low level of knowledge about it (compared to other cities).
But still, Fortress is power!!!!!!!
I apologize, but going into detail about this city will take a lot of time. Maybe I'll get to it sometime.
P.S. This is truly a case where "every frog praises its own swamp"! :)
Sincerely.
DmitriyAS

Кто сильнее или шаблон для сравнения городов по силе.
Различие офф-лайна в Heroes II и Heroes III.
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2 samadura You said everything that could be said in one sentence: "I HAVE NEVER PLAYED and I WILL NEVER PLAY THESE GAMES!!!"... after that, there is no point in arguing with you... You DON'T KNOW how to play with this faction, you DON'T KNOW anything about its strengths...

I don't want to repeat my own posts from this thread (and not just mine), where the strengths are described and how to use them. If you want, you can read them (there are only five pages in the thread), then THINK, and only after that decide what to write in the thread...

In short, all this is just empty talk....how can
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/topic/at/84651/ there is another topic for this... post there, leave your ICQ... and we will test the strength of the castles in practice.... including the swamp....
Лишь в споре рождается истина!!!
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In my opinion, the Swamp is one of the weakest Castles. I agree that they have very useful and strong units, but they are significantly inferior to the units from the Inferno and Necropolis Castles. For example, Wyvern Monarchs. They can't do anything against Death Knights or Efreet Sultans. However, the Mighty Gorgon is irreplaceable against the strongest units, such as Ancient Beasts, Archdevils, etc. But having only one strong unit in the entire Castle is not enough. I tried playing as them, doing everything possible against the AI at 200%. I did win, but if you compare the losses I would have suffered playing as Inferno or Necropolis, they would have been significantly less. And here's another thing. Playing against the AI at 200% with Inferno or Necropolis is not suicide; on the contrary, if you're a gamer, it's a 100% victory!!!! Believe me, I know all the advantages of these Castles (because I constantly play as them))). The Conflux Castle is also very strong; there are many advantages!!!! Only one drawback. The units are incredibly expensive!!. But for those who know how to play them correctly, victory against the AI at 200% is guaranteed. Honestly, the AI plays very monotonously.))))))))

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