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Out of the three large creatures per faction, we know two – wyverns and centaurs. The question is, who will be the third? I think it will be a lizard rider, and he will be level 5. This means we need a level 6 creature, and it will be a small creature – an assassin.
So, manticores are going to be in The Eastern Expansion (TЭ)? :(
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the developers, starting with Heroes of Might and Magic V, tried to introduce them into the Sylvan faction, but something always prevented them... and then suddenly the idea came to make the dragon non-flying, and as a result, we got only one flying unit for the entire army, and that was at the first level (fairies). So they decided to add the phoenix. Besides, either the Humans or the Light Dragons will have the Light Child in tandem with Blindness – they didn't want to duplicate the unit, and in the end, they wouldn't throw out the Ent either.

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Manticoras will not be with the Orcs:smile29: - either as a Tier 3 unit or as a neutral unit.
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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The developers had been trying to introduce them into the Sylvans since Heroes 5, but something always prevented them from doing so... and then suddenly the idea came to make the dragon non-flying, and as a result, we ended up with only one flying unit for the entire army, and that was on the first level (Fairies). So, they decided to add the Phoenix. Besides, Humans will either have Radiants or Light Dragons, and they will have the Light Child in tandem with Blindness – they didn't want to duplicate the unit, and in the end, they didn't want to throw out the Ent either.
I see... But it seems to me that it would be better to give the Elves the Rukh/Thunderbirds (from the Phoenixes) instead of Phoenixes.

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Manticoras will not be with the Orcs – either as Tier 3 units or as neutral units.
I don't really want to see them at all. But 3 flying units on the 3 last levels is too much. If they are made to occupy 1 cell, then they can be placed on the 3rd level (in fact, Manticores are not large)
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by the way, if the manticore ends up on the third level, then it will be like a symmetrical counterpart to the griffin (it's also level three) – these are the branches of the lion's mutation – the griffin goes towards the light side, and the manticore goes towards the dark side.
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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by the way, if the manticore ends up on the third tier, then it will be like a symmetrical counter to the griffin (it's also tier 3) - these are the branches of lion mutation - the griffin goes towards the light side, and the manticore goes towards the dark side.
Well, that's another option!
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when choosing between Rukh or Phoenix, Phoenix is clearly the better option (although it's unusual to see it as the fifth hero, but still – a bird or dragon and a tree – a dragon and an oak are definitely more impressive)
and Rukh is more suitable for Orcs.
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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Could you place Dryads on level 5 and Satyrs on level 3?
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by the way, we humans have four large creatures, just like the Elves and Dwarves.
and what does the Yeti look like, not a user-created version, but a truly Ashan one (let's forget about the wolf from the fifth game with the artifact icon)?
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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What does the non-user-created Yeti look like, the truly Ashan one (let's forget about the wolf from the fifth game with the artifact icon)?
Hmm... Well, they should have similarities with monsters.
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WizardNazyr
Could you place dryads on the 5th level and satyrs on the 3rd?
No, that would be too much. And yes, I completely forgot to mention that the dryad will not be able to fly, but it will levitate in the air. All three will have a symbiosis ability, plus the grade will have magic (regeneration on basic, wasps on basic, and removal on advanced), and the alt-grade will have deadly splashes.
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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Or, as an alternative, create magical little dragons from Warcraft 3.

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The Dryad will not be able to fly, but it will be able to hover in the air.
0_o Why go to such extremes!!!! (sorry for the expression)
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WizardNazyr
Hmm... Well, they should have some similarities with monsters :)
let these have four large ones – it’s not a defining factor, and it’s easier to attack allies, although mobility suffers (and in general, respected Nargott did this for all eight – four large ones per city).

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Or, as an option, make magical dragonlings from WarCraft 3.

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0_o Why go to such extremes!!!! (sorry for the expression)
they don’t need to fly – these aren’t fairies, but dryads – a connection to the earth, and all that. (as we remember, these units were separated in Heroes 7 – I’m talking about fairies and dryads).
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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four large ones per city
I think that's too much.

And by the way, regarding the dragons, I think it would be better to give them names instead of just "dragons of Erathia" - white dragons, and instead of "dragons of the sun" - dragons of light.

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(as we remember, these units were separated in Heroes 7 - I'm talking about fairies and dryads)
Yes, I know, but still...
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in gold tones, we have a standard upgrade for the human army, so there will be a golden dragon; a white one would go against a black one, but that spot is already taken by the golden one, so: a dragon of light, a golden dragon, and a dragon of Elrath (why not a dragon of the sun?)
regarding the dryads, we can explain the inability to fly by their vital connection and proximity to the earth; the same connection to the earth explains their levitation in the air (the forces of gravity are closely related to the earth, so these forces are not frightening to the dryads).
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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the Elrath dragon (what's wrong with a sun dragon?)
I specifically didn't like the Elrath dragon - it just doesn't sound good! And I think the light dragon sounds better.

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regarding the dryads - the inability to fly can be explained by their vital connection and proximity to the earth; the same (connection to the earth) can explain their levitation in the air (the forces of gravity are closely related to the earth, so these forces are not scary for the dryads).
Wow, this is Heroes! This is Ashan!
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