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#583
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Sesame + Snowman + Vishmaster/Shaman
I think the situation is a bit more complex. Firstly, a fourth player is needed (well, it could be many people. Either Revan, or the same Gek). Secondly, if it's Shaman, then the connections with Snowman and everything else need to be studied more carefully. And yes, I'm not sure that the mafia roles of Vish and Shaman contradict each other; in my opinion, not really. I can suggest Shaman as a suspect, if you really want, with my 146% confidence. For me, this is definitely not mafia number 1, but you probably know what you're doing there, right? ))
 

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#584
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Ment

I can suggest Ment for Shaman if you really want, with his 146% ) For me, he's definitely not the number 1 suspect.
I agree. This non-game behavior confused me, as if we and the master aren't on the same page, and I don't hang out with him in the conference.
Of course, it's always difficult to read Shaman, but he's not the first candidate, though.

В тихой однообразной жизни всегда так бывает: каждый отдельный день бесконечно долог, но месяцы и годы мчатся с непостижимой быстротой.

I wanted to offer you some flowers, but a crown would suit a princess like you much better

Смысл жизни в том, что жизнь на тебе не заканчивается
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#585
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because she played well and led the city.
Exactly. Therefore, her guesses were not only correct about the Master. And she also seemed to be subtly pushing for the Shaman.
If we look at the list of those who voted for the Master:
MedjersoN_HP - I'm not Mafia myself.
Ment - not Mafia.
VesperLindt - not Mafia.
Neyra Drake - I have a very good impression of her. She was initially skeptical, including about me. She voted for Ment all day, and then, responsibly, came exactly one hour before the end of the voting and switched her vote to the Master. Would anyone believe that she's not a Town member?
Ehsa Aileri - an unargued vote for one of their own at the beginning of the day? (although this is in Revan's style) and then didn't back down? Well... maybe. But it's unlikely that he's Mafia. In any case, he's not in the first or even the second line of suspects.
Nefela - my impression is good, but nothing definite.
There was also the Shaman, who threatened to vote for the Master if he became inactive.
p.s. Damn, I can't calm down. Where else should we look for Mafia members if not among those who voted for their own?
We can look for a third or fourth Mafia member there, but not the first suspect.
But what difference does it make what kind of Mafia member we find if he's probably there? I just don't believe that the Mafia would start on the second day, without any particular problems, and unanimously vote for someone to their advantage. It's more beneficial for them to create a heated discussion in order to gain "experience"
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#586
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Okay, so who is your number one candidate? Vish or Sezam?

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#587
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There's a lot going on here, and I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed. I'll get back to you tomorrow with a fresh perspective.
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#588
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Yes, here's another thought: perhaps the Mages haven't resurrected him yet, and tonight they might redirect Toregis to a target that benefits them.
But how can the Mages redirect the deceased Toregis anywhere?
Or am I misunderstanding something?
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SnowmanV2
There was also a Shaman who threatened to vote for Master if he became inactive.
Yes, the Shaman is very confusing with this behavior. This is quite unsettling.

But you asked me to find mafia players among those who voted against Master. If the Shaman is a mafia player, then he definitely knows that Master will write at least 1 post before the end of the day, and therefore, the Shaman's post should be read as "execute Mental."

So, the Shaman being a mafia player doesn't fit into the group of those who voted against Master

В тихой однообразной жизни всегда так бывает: каждый отдельный день бесконечно долог, но месяцы и годы мчатся с непостижимой быстротой.

I wanted to offer you some flowers, but a crown would suit a princess like you much better

Смысл жизни в том, что жизнь на тебе не заканчивается
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#590
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How can the Mages redirect the deceased Toregis anywhere?
Or am I misunderstanding something?
Well... um... I guess I also misunderstood something, or...
Doesn't a character resurrected by Tulusmor lose their abilities? I understood that he simply becomes controlled by the cultist. Is that not the case?

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#591
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That's why the mafioso redirection takes precedence much earlier than Tulusmor's necromancy.

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By the way, for some reason, it seems to me that the mafiosi don't attack Zesmoi, but rather walk around and gather information.
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#592
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So, the "maf" redirection takes place much earlier in priority than Tulusmor's necromancy.
But Tulusmor was still raising the dead today.
By the way, it seems to me that the "mafs" don't bite Zesmoi, but rather walk around and gather information.
I think so too.

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#593
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But Tulsmor was resurrected just today.
I don't quite understand what you meant.
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#594
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Late at night, with fire in his eyes and a shovel in his hands, a strange man dug up the Master's fresh grave and performed his favorite spell.
Necromancy: for one night, raises a killed or executed player from the dead, learns about his role, goals, and Non-Disclosure results. Gains the ability to use the player as a puppet (exceptions: Temn, Tesarm, Isvtiirt, Lord Raven, Igelax).
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SnowmanV2
What difference does it make which mafia we find, if they are probably there? I just don't believe that the mafia would start on the second day, without any particular problems, and unanimously eliminate someone in their favor.
By the words "third and fourth mafia," I meant not their importance, but their order in the queue for elimination. Therefore, there is a difference in who we find. Among those who voted against Master, there is a maximum of 1 mafia, and it's not even certain that they are there. Okay, let's guess, let's say it's Revan. Will we eliminate him today? No, there are few suspicions, and I will be the first to refuse to eliminate him. That's why I say that among these people, there may only be the 3rd or 4th mafia in the queue.
On the contrary, among those who voted against Mental, there is definitely 1 mafia, and maybe more. Let's look there, since they are there, that's the most logical thing to do.
And the argument "between Master and Mental, he chose Mental for elimination" has some basis.

В тихой однообразной жизни всегда так бывает: каждый отдельный день бесконечно долог, но месяцы и годы мчатся с непостижимой быстротой.

I wanted to offer you some flowers, but a crown would suit a princess like you much better

Смысл жизни в том, что жизнь на тебе не заканчивается
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As I understand it, the redirection can only be used on a `living` player, and it has the 3rd priority in the list. And the resurrection of Tulismor is for a `dead` player, with the second-to-last priority. I can still understand Tulismor's interest in Torgesis's corpse, but why do the Mafa need it now? Are they trying to steal peaceful votes?
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#597
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I don't quite understand where it says that resurrected creatures cannot be redirected. And yes, if a raised creature retains all its abilities, then Torag can also be used to kill them.

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