Which level 7 creature is the best, and why? — Polls

Ataman

4/18/2007 12:58 PM UTC

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hobo;84020

The Archangel remains the strongest creature in a 1-on-1 battle for me...

But how often do you encounter battles in the game where heroes have equal primary and secondary skills, no spellbooks, and only level 7 creatures (in equal numbers)? Of course, not very often. So, maybe it's not that important?

hobo;84020

This is a thread about comparing creatures, and if you want to compare armies, create a thread about comparing armies...

This thread is about comparing level 7 creatures, and not just 1v1 battles between them (many bonuses are lost in this case).

For example, the Chaos Hydra loses to many level 7 warriors, but you can't forget that it attacks multiple units, which is very useful in normal battles (and not just level 7 against level 7). So, it's stronger in some cases and weaker in others.
The Titan, for example, is a good ranged attacker, but it won't be as useful if the opponent has the Tactics skill and/or fast units.
The Black Dragon is more useful against a mage opponent than against a warrior. (I think everyone understands the reasons)
Dragons can attack through (hitting two units), but only one responds to the attack. Therefore, in a battle, it can happen that the dragon attacks a unit (let's say an Archangel) without receiving a counterattack from it.
So, the situation is also very important. Different level 7 creatures are important in different situations.

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hobo

4/18/2007 1:26 PM UTC

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Ataman;84027

Are battles where heroes have equal primary and secondary skills, no spellbooks, and only level 7 creatures (in equal numbers) common in the game? Of course not. So, maybe it's not that important?

This is a topic about comparing level 7 creatures, and not just about 1v1 battles between them (many bonuses are lost in this case).

For example, the Chaos Hydra loses to many level 7 warriors, but it's important to remember that it attacks multiple units, which is very useful in normal battles (and not just 7 level against 7 level). So, it's stronger in some cases and weaker in others.
The Titan, for example, is a good ranged attacker, but it won't be as useful if the opponent has the Tactics skill and/or fast units.
The Black Dragon is more useful against a mage opponent than against a warrior. (I think everyone understands the reasons).
Dragons can attack through (hitting two units), but only one responds to the attack. Therefore, in a battle, it can happen that a dragon attacks a unit (for example, an Archangel) without receiving a return attack from it.
So, the situation is very important. In different cases, different level 7 creatures are important.

Still, I think the author of the topic should tell us what he meant when he created it.
And simply comparing which creature is better is very difficult and probably impossible, because there are many nuances.

2CrasH
I apologize. Demons can get a repeat turn, because they get +1 to morale, due to having one type of warrior in the army (although the Archangel would get +2).

I just ran a couple of battles: 10 Archangels against 10 Demons. I'm using the WoG version, as that's the only one I have right now. I divided the Archangels into groups of 1, 4, and 5. The Archangels won.
These battles don't in any way prove that 10 Archangels are stronger than 10 Demons; they simply show that in a battle of 10 against 10, many things will depend on the unit placement.

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ОMEGA

4/18/2007 4:22 PM UTC

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It's too much trouble to quote, so I'll answer like this.
hobo, if you look closely at the thread title, we aren same discussing the strongest creature in a duel, but the best one; from this it follows that all nuances must be considered during comparison, and enough with twisting the comparisons in favor of archs, quote: "The Archs were split into piles of 1, 4, and 5 Archs." This way they can resurrect and their morale is more effective, and now armies are being compared, not creatures; if everyone stood in one group, then it would be creatures, but by splitting them into groups we get an army comparison, am I wrong? Yes, and regarding the fact that you give 1st place in duels to the arch, I'll say this: you simply love archangels and cannot admit that he can lose:). That's normal, it's just that an objective opinion on the matter of archs cannot be obtained from you, and that's all;).

hobo

4/18/2007 7:01 PM UTC

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Князь_OMEGA
That's exactly the point—you need to consider all the nuances, but without using armies. Therefore, in a 1 on 1, you must use the speed factor (i.e., consider this nuance), which prevents the Archangel from losing to the Behemoth.
But 10 on 10 is already an army, and it doesn't matter if they stand in one clump or not. In army combat, you need to consider nuances characteristic of armies, namely the formation!
Now you say
>it's not the strongest creature in a duel being discussed, but the best one
>That way they can resurrect and morale is more effective
So, as I understand it, you want to compare creatures and identify the best one, but some shouldn't use their bonuses! Archangel resurrection and luck are bonuses of Archangels just as the 80% defense reduction is a bonus for Behemoths!!!

And besides, I don't like archangels. There are only two units that I feel strongly about. First are the screw-horned unicorns, and second are the dendroids, because they hang out with Roland :)

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ОMEGA

4/19/2007 6:32 AM UTC

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hobo;84088

And I also don't like Arcomage. There are only two units that I don't particularly care for.

As you wish, I was just expressing my opinion, which I formed while reading your posts. But in general, it's a complex topic, and everyone should decide for themselves what is best, and then a multiplayer battle will be the judge;)

Lord-Aries

4/19/2007 6:58 AM UTC

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I personally just used autobattle to test them. With equal stacks and hero stats of 1/1/1/1, earth and sand elements, no morale or luck, and neutral specializations without hero abilities, Dr. Behemoths defeat Archons in about 3/4 of the battles. With morale, it's 2/3. And this applies to any number of units. My vote goes to Behemoths.

L-A///

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samadura

4/26/2007 11:29 AM UTC

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My personal priorities are as follows: Therefore, all level 7 infantry units take a step back... they will bring less benefit to the game than flying units. Next comes the unit's speed - THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!! If I'm not mistaken, the top 3 in this regard are Phoenix, Archangel, and Archdevil, and the first one seems to be the fastest in this regard. Attack and defense stats are approximately the same, and each unit has its own advantages. However, the weekly growth rate is what really matters and puts a significant emphasis on choosing the best of these three. Phoenixes have the potential to always be twice as numerous as other level 7 units, plus creating level 7 units is usually much faster than in some other castles. That's why I consider Phoenix to be the most promising

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BotINKi

4/29/2007 10:25 PM UTC

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samadura;85345

My personal priorities are as follows:
Therefore, all level 7 infantry units take a step back... they will be less useful in the course of the game than flying units.
Next comes the unit's speed – THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!! If I'm not mistaken, Phoenix, Archangel, and Archdevil are the 3 leaders in this regard, and the first one is, in my opinion, the fastest of them all.
Attack and defense stats are approximately the same, and each unit has its own quirks.
But the weekly growth rate is what really matters, it puts a very significant mark when choosing the best of these 3. Phoenixes will potentially always be twice as numerous as other level 7 units + creating level 7 units is usually much faster than in some other castles.
Therefore, I believe that Phoenix is the most promising and best level 7 creature!!!

The idea is good, but why didn't you take into account the creatures' health? You could also give a bonus to the Titan for ranged attacks. You can also mention the special abilities of some creatures – hippogryphs – reducing defense, phoenixes and dragons – breath attack on 2 squares...

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OverKiller

5/5/2007 8:13 PM UTC

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I don't think there's a single best Tier 7 unit in Heroes 3. I consider Archangels, Black Dragons, and Behemoths to be the strongest:rolleyes:

r00t

5/6/2007 4:41 AM UTC

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I would put Archangels in first place, but only because there's a chance to gather a large number of them. In second place, I'd put Golems because they can be built in the second week. In third place, I'd put Devils with Titans and Skeletons. Next, Dragons, because they are difficult to build. Hydras are last, but only because of their speed.

Kamikaze

5/6/2007 6:02 AM UTC

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Archangel!!!!!!!

Drnik

5/6/2007 8:24 AM UTC

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I don't understand the purpose of this comparison; in my game, there has never been a 1v1 battle. Even if there were: Phoenixes move first, and I rarely have a shortage of mana, magic, or their power (in the worst case, I would just retreat). And in 1v1 battles, Titans or Archangels usually win.

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DerRauch

5/6/2007 2:24 PM UTC

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It's hard to say definitively. They're all good, even the Bone Dragons, especially when they gain experience, and then the Black Knight shows up with his double damage. But that's just my opinion. In the Necropolis, there are plenty of units to use instead of dragons.
-Archangel - A powerful offensive unit.
-Titan - A powerful ranged attacker with decent health and stats. Plus, it has decent "Naga" defense.
-Devil - Waits, attacks, and flies away. It's fast enough, and in some cases, it can be much better than the Archangel. For example, 10 Devils can wait, attack 200 Dryads, and fly away, while Archangels would suffer losses. I voted for it!
The only thing is that Golden Dragons are vulnerable to Implosion but not to Sacrifice, which, in my opinion, is unfair.
-Phoenixes gain strength and speed as they level up. They're especially good when you have Armageddon and the enemy is just about to reach your Castle. Attack with Armageddon, then retreat, buy a hero, and repeat until your turns run out.
Finding a Cloak of Magic Banish isn't that difficult, so with such an artifact, a Castle with Behemoths will simply not notice a hero with Phoenixes. But it also depends on how you play.
-Hydra, it's good to have a Hydra in your spam army, especially with Archers and preferably with Tazar.
-Black Dragons are good in some ways because magic doesn't affect them, but in other ways, it's bad. But Archangels do affect them... :)
-Behemoth is a terrifying beast. When the enemy's army attacks your army and they also use "tactics" to get closer. It's scary just to think about it.
Conclusion: all units are good in their own way. But I think the Titan and Devil are the most useful and my favorites, but Hydras are also pretty good....