Necropolis or Castle (Which one is stronger?) — Tactics

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#242 4/9/2007 2:51 PM UTC

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My opinion. If you only look at the towns and their units, then the Castle is stronger. It has 2 Archers and an Archangel who can resurrect. But if you consider the players, then Necromancers will win or achieve victory faster.

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#243 4/12/2007 4:12 PM UTC

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I think the Castle is stronger. Of course, it all depends on who is playing against whom (and, naturally, on the fighting spirit and morale of the players). If a skilled player is playing as Necropolis and a newbie is playing as Castle, what's the point of arguing?

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#244 4/12/2007 4:36 PM UTC

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I think the Castle faction is stronger. Of course, it all depends on who is playing against whom (and, of course, on the fighting spirit and morale of the players). If a skilled player is playing as Necropolis and a newbie is playing as Castle, what's the point of arguing?

An insightful and clear thought... I'll try to add to it...
I'll add that it also depends on the size and type of map and the game conditions.
In general, any faction can win against its opponent(s); you need to assess the situation.
Statistically, Humans are stronger, but personally, I prefer Necropolis.

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#245 4/12/2007 5:09 PM UTC

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Don't say that! Whoever stays with the main army in the Castle will 100% win.

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#246 4/13/2007 6:21 AM UTC

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Don't say that! Whoever stays with the main army in the castle will 100% win.

What makes you say that? What are your arguments?
When I said that you can win with any castle, in some cases you'll have to keep the hero in the main castle, and what's the problem with that?
If you've developed better, it doesn't really matter where you fight, and if you're weaker, it's the same "no matter what." Exceptions happen when both players are almost equally developed, but that's rare. Even rarer than having "bad skills."

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#247 4/13/2007 8:10 AM UTC

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Without magic, with identical stats (and hero level), and with the same development pace (it requires not only skill, but also a map that allows angels to be recruited in the second week/archangels in the third week), then the Necropolis faction will definitely lose to Haven and not only Haven, simply because they won't be able to keep up in terms of speed.
Because in Heroes, speed is the most important factor, followed by defense, and then everything else.

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#248 4/13/2007 8:28 AM UTC

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If there is no magic, with identical stats (and hero level) and with the same development pace (it's not just about skill here... but also about the map, so that you can build Angels by the second week/Archangels by the third week), then the Undead will definitely lose to humans and not only to humans, they simply won't be able to keep up with the speed.
Because in Heroes, nothing matters as much as SPEED, then DEFENSE... and only then everything else...

So, when everything is the same, the task again boils down to the stats of the monsters themselves! I already said that the human army has stronger stats than the Necromancer army, but there is one caveat.
You suggested a development scheme for the Human Castle until the end of the third week. Build Angels in the second week, Archangels in the third week. This is very difficult, but possible. But where will you get the money for the army, because after the listed constructions in the castle, it will hardly be possible to build an army, and you won't even be able to buy all the Archangels. And the Necromancer can come at the end of the third week with the entire army (except for dragons) and even if you sit in the castle, there will be nothing to defend with.

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#249 4/13/2007 9:06 AM UTC

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Yeah, you're saying it takes 2 weeks to get Archangels. LOL, when can you even do that? Let's say you somehow manage it (Angels cost 20,000, and upgrading the dwelling also costs 20,000), then what? How are you going to buy them? They cost 5,000 each!

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#250 4/13/2007 9:34 AM UTC

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yeah you're just saying 2nd week archangels) LOL when is it even possible to do that? well let's say you did, idk how (angels are 20000 and upgrading the dwelling is also 20k) and then what? how will you buy them? they cost 5k each!

That's exactly my point! Even if you slap down a capitol at the start of the second week, and on the seventh day you slap down angels, then by the third week the income will be 7*4000=28000. Minus twenty for upgrading to Archangels. So it turns out that on the seventh day there will be 8000 plus whatever you collected (and this is assuming all resources are stocked at 20).
Conclusion: On fast maps, such a Castle gets wiped out. And on larger levels, for example, a Necromancer might already be running around with 500 skeletons and beating Utopia.

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#251 4/13/2007 1:50 PM UTC

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Well, how can you even argue? It’s obvious that Castle is the best. If you consider luck or chance, then you could argue that Swamp Castle is good, but when the question is who is stronger, I understand that it’s considered with all other stats being equal. And Castle can’t compete with Necropolis.

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#252 4/13/2007 3:07 PM UTC

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I completely agree that the Castle faction will crush the Necropolis! The Necropolis has almost no archers (there is one, but it's so weak and expensive – why build it in the first place?). And the Castle's archer and spearman are better than skeletons.

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#253 4/13/2007 3:16 PM UTC

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I completely believe that the Castle will crush the Necromancers! Necromancers have almost no archers (there is one, but he's so weak and expensive that it's not worth building him right away), while Humans have a decent archer. Also, their pikeman is better than a skeleton.

First of all, comparing the Castle and the Necropolis is pointless; it's obvious that skeletons will overwhelm with numbers. The Lich is an excellent archer; he deals area-of-effect damage (and it's good damage!).

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#254 4/13/2007 5:37 PM UTC

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how many?? haha... archers and griffons are overpowered! they'll tear the Necropolis apart.

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#255 4/13/2007 6:16 PM UTC

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Why are you arguing about some weak unit? An Archangel can easily defeat two Ghosts or Dragons. And the archers in the Castle are the worst units!

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#256 4/13/2007 7:37 PM UTC

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I remember writing a description of the level 7 units somewhere; look for it.

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