Discussion of CIS-2015 details

=Lizard=

6/5/2015 5:26 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

...only an officially registered federation has the right to organize...

Hmm, why not contact the Cyber Sports Federation? Membership there is just a formality – http://www.cybersport.ru/members.htm

We can become official, create our own HMMIII division, and the main tournaments and events will be covered on their website (and even in the media).

I think we can create a separate topic for this.

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Dark

6/5/2015 5:47 AM UTC

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Piterius

I'd like to reiterate my point regarding the CIS-2015 tournament: the title of winner has nothing to do with the CIS concept. Hell is a strong player, and I'm not questioning his success, but calling this tournament "CIS" without the participation of players from Ukraine is like calling it a "Siberia" or "Moscow" championship.

I disagree. If we're being objective, the tournament was announced as a CIS event more than six months ago, if I'm not mistaken. I didn't notice any particular complaints from Ukrainians on the forum regarding where the CIS tournament would be held before the tournament took place. As far as I know, the organizers and other participants didn't prevent (personally) any player from attending, whether they were from Kazakhstan, Ukraine, the USA, China, etc. Even if we consider that there were no players from Ukraine, and usually there are two or, at most, three participants (which is 1/5 or 1/8 of the participants in the CIS tournament held in Volgograd). Well, and finally, if we're optimistic and think about what else could have been done:
1) Hold the tournament in Minsk, but immediately two thoughts arise: it was held there not so long ago, and does Lizard even want that?:D
2) Hold the tournament in Ukraine - unfortunately, given the unfortunate events taking place in Ukraine, this is unlikely from my point of view :-( (but this is just my personal opinion)
3) Hold the tournament in another city in Russia - but again, there was a vote (open), in which Volgograd won.

I hope Pit will not take my words as criticism of his words or anything else, but as a realistic view of the things we have undertaken to discuss.

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=Lizard=

Hmm, why not contact the e-Sports Federation? Membership there is just a formality - http://www.cybersport.ru/members.htm

We could become official, create our own HMMIII department, and the main tournaments and events would be covered on their website (and even in the media).

I think we can create a separate topic for this.

You're right, I'll hand over the reins of this headache to your soft and gentle hands, KoS :D :D :D :D

лето 2012.

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Heroin_HP

6/5/2015 6:17 AM UTC

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Dagr

Piterius, Ukraine was never part of the CIS, so it's not a big deal.

Really?
History must be your thing!

theShevanesian

6/5/2015 6:30 AM UTC

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When the United States didn't participate in the Moscow Olympics in 1980, or when our team didn't go to Los Angeles in 1984, no one questioned the legitimacy of the Olympic Games. If you don't want to participate, don't – but the status of the event doesn't change because of that.

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Dark

6/5/2015 6:47 AM UTC

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Heroin_HP

Really?
History seems to be your thing!

Instead, tell me, as a person from Ukraine, what is your opinion on the legitimacy of the CIS?

лето 2012.

RaverUPS

6/5/2015 8:23 AM UTC

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And even on HW, there wasn't a single post without some Ukrainian-bashing (We should deal with such posts the way Tvarina does on his streams...).

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Heroin_HP

6/5/2015 8:41 AM UTC

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Dark

Rather than going off-topic, as someone from Ukraine, share your opinion on the legitimacy of the CIS.

Well, Dimon described your argument correctly above!

Browser

6/5/2015 9:57 AM UTC

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A month has passed since the event – we celebrated, looked at the photos, shared our impressions – basically, everything was done – and then, at 12 at night, this guy, Petya, got drunk and posted his nonsense here – it’s unclear what the point is or what he’s trying to achieve – but I guess he knows best – in my opinion, his posts in this thread are inappropriate – who stopped anyone from coming? No one – what’s the argument? There isn’t one – it’s just something to talk about. It’s idiotic.

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Dark

6/5/2015 10:39 AM UTC

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Browser

A month has passed since the event – we celebrated, looked at photos, shared impressions – basically, everything was done – and then, at 12 at night, Petya showed up drunk and wrote his nonsense here – it’s unclear what the purpose is – but maybe he knows better – in my opinion, his posts in this thread are inappropriate – who prevented anyone from coming? no one – what is the argument about? nothing – just for the sake of it. Idiocy.

Stepa, when are we going to play the tournament?

лето 2012.

Piterius

6/7/2015 8:18 PM UTC

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Gomunguls

Wow, that's quite a statement :smile14:
At this rate, the Ukrainian national team will be holding the European Championship against itself.

I suggest that with such comments, either join the discussion about politics or grab a weapon and go prove your worth. This is the perfect chance to prove something after the last "CIS" event, instead of just using smiley faces and tanks.

I personally want to send greetings and an offer of reconciliation to Browsing. I didn't want things to escalate to this point, but you're not exactly a saint either.

Dirty, you're the most flexible of the inflexible here. Please don't disappear. If I offended you, it wasn't intentional.

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Vatya

6/8/2015 1:17 AM UTC

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Piterius

I suggest either joining the discussion about politics with such comments or grabbing your gear and going to prove your worth. This is the perfect opportunity to prove something in reality after the last "CIS" event, instead of just using emojis and tanks.

I personally want to send greetings and an offer of reconciliation to Browsing. I didn't want things to escalate to this point, but you're not exactly a saint either.

Dirty, you're the most flexible of the inflexible here. Please don't disappear. If I offended you in any way, it wasn't intentional.

Pete, even a trip doesn't seem appealing. 12-15k for the plane ticket, about 5-7k for accommodation and other expenses... The question is whether to spend 70k or win 30k (taking expenses into account)... And, as I understand it, you're suggesting not a one-time battle, but traveling 4 times a year? Even mathematically, it doesn't make sense; at most, you can cover the travel and accommodation costs... There's also no point in proving anything to anyone; those who wanted to prove something could easily do so at the CIS event...

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P.S. There were CIS championships in Odessa and Kyiv; I don't know who won then, but they did happen. And there was OpenKyiv, where Kyiv won. If you want to create your own tournament in Dnipro, no one will object; I'm sure many people from different countries will come...

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iDD

6/8/2015 7:48 AM UTC

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