Angels as a race. — New ideas.

Machete

4/9/2007 3:57 AM UTC

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By the way (!), Elrath has been listed in my first post for several days now as the patron deity of the race. In principle, we can leave him there.

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Гур

4/9/2007 9:35 AM UTC

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Or maybe we should actually listen to the Valkyrie and turn the angels into godless creatures?

Silvanis

4/9/2007 8:43 PM UTC

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The race of godless people already exists – the mages of the Academy. There’s no point in creating another one.

С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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Гур

4/9/2007 9:09 PM UTC

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Silvanis;81815

The race of atheists already exists — the Academy mages. There is no point in making another one

That's not an argument. According to your logic, there would have been no point in creating all other races after... for example, the elves, since elves have a deity, and if someone has a deity, then why create more races with deities?
"Atheist" angels would help remove the religious-mythological inaccuracy — the kinship between dragons and angels. And overall, I think it's important now to think through the ideology of this race, and it should be such that these creatures require no patron other than, say, an abstract One Creator. If we can't come up with anything coherent, then we should settle on Elrath as the patron of the Celestial Stronghold.

Machete

4/10/2007 3:53 AM UTC

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Since we're considering removing angels from Haven, we could also remove the heretics. Or are there other options?

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Silvanis

4/10/2007 6:15 AM UTC

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Gur, if you haven't played the fifth installment of Heroes or are too lazy to read the faction descriptions, that's your problem. They don't have any abstract creator; there's nothing, I repeat, to compare between our world and theirs! Their gods are an objective and undeniable reality (in our world, they are "doubtful" because not everyone believes in them), and all their gods are dragons, whether you like it or not. This mythological inaccuracy is one of the cornerstones of the world of Ashan. Your logic is flawed because, regarding the deities, the factions in the fifth installment of Heroes are divided not according to the principle of "having a god or not," but according to the principle of "which god." The

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Machete

4/10/2007 8:55 AM UTC

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In short, let's leave the angels under Elrath's control.
It would be better to help finish designing the building.

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Tengro

4/10/2007 9:15 AM UTC

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Interesting, very interesting, but I have two comments: 1. There is some imbalance. It's small, but it exists. For example, at level 7. 2. Don't you think there's a gap? Levels 1-3 – angels are easily defeated, levels 4-7 – angels are gods of the map. But this can be adjusted with prices, breeding, etc. Oh, yes, the creatures are there... now we need to work on the abilities and the lore of the faction. And also, angels, in my opinion, would be better under Elrath's command.

"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ

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Гур

4/10/2007 3:03 PM UTC

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Machete;81878

In short, we leave the angels under Elrath's control.
Better help me think through the building.

I feel that this building should somehow be linked to the potential ability of angels to resurrect (let the archstrategos possess an ability similar to Necromancers - raising a portion of killed angels after the battle specifically as those angelic units that fell during the fight), or more precisely, increase the percentage or number of resurrected creatures.

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Tengro;81883

Interesting, interesting, but 2 remarks
1. There is some imbalance:) a little, but it's there. For the level 7, for example:)

Explain why you are not satisfied with level 7?

Saruman

4/11/2007 11:21 AM UTC

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Let's create our own patron god, Ashu, or a new, unknown deity, because having two races share one god doesn't really work.

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Magnus

4/11/2007 11:30 AM UTC

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Saruman;82205

Let's create our own patron god, either Ashu or a new, unknown deity, because having two races worshiping the same god doesn't work.

Ashu is a dragon of order, as well as a dark embodiment of the spider goddess worshipped by necromancers, while Elrat, the dragon of light, has angels as his servants. And why do you need a race of angels, since angels are great beings, and the very idea that any goblin could kill them is repulsive, and why blaspheme? :confused:

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Гур

4/11/2007 12:33 PM UTC

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Magnus;82213

Askha is a dragon of order, as well as a dark embodiment of the spider goddess, who is worshipped by necromancers, while Elrat, the dragon of light, has angels as servants. And then, why do you need an angel race, because angels are great beings, and the very thought that any goblin could kill them is repulsive, and why blaspheme? :confused:

According to your logic, angels should also be removed from Haven, because, just like these angels, any goblin could kill them.

Saruman

4/11/2007 1:06 PM UTC

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It's not blasphemy; if that's how it needs to be, then Angels should be removed from Haven, and the Inferno faction should be removed as well. Additionally, Inquisitors and Fanatics should be removed from games 3 and 5.

Silvanis

4/12/2007 9:05 AM UTC

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Well, in principle, I think it would be a good idea to do it that way:
But since they exist, the angel race has every right to exist as well.

С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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