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There is no such thing as absolute good or evil. An action cannot be defined as good or evil, as we perceive it in relation to something else. Hunting, for example. Animals are killed (which is evil for them), but people enjoy it (which is good). Every action contains both good and evil. It all depends on the ratio. We usually call those actions good in which the proportion of good is greater. However, if you were sacrificed for the common good, you might interpret that action differently. And the axe described above is a symbol of power. It only amplifies the scale and significance of the action.
Умирает не тот, кто устал, а тот, кто остановился.
Silvanis
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Well, I wouldn't say that good and evil are so relative. In principle, it's clear that killing creatures for fun isn't right.
By the way, according to Christian doctrine, evil is merely a byproduct of free will – the highest gift from God to people (and angels; the final decision regarding animals has not been made). Thanks to free will, people can independently make a moral choice between good and evil; that is, they can live. Live as independent and free beings. Evil only provides this possibility of an alternative.
С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"... - Чжуан-цзы Сильванис
Regarding animals, a final decision has not been made.
Yes, even after 2,000 years, they haven't decided about animals... Perhaps because animals don't care about the question of good and evil. They live strictly according to the laws of nature, and this doesn't fit into the usual human scheme of classifying good and evil. If a leopard kills a deer, it's not because it wants to do evil, but because it's simply hungry, and it can't survive on anything else (besides meat). How do you classify that?
Настоящие герои - не те, пред кем мы преклоняемся, а те, кого мы оплевываем...[/COLOR] ----------------------------- "So much has gone and little is new"
David Bowie
Silvanis
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There's no way. My personal opinion is that evil doesn't exist; there is only good. We are often too constrained by our own perceptions to see this good... And that's where these distinctions arise – "good" and "evil," "right" and "wrong"... To be even more precise, they exist at the level of an individual, but not at the level of the world – after all, each of us actually feels what good and evil are. And any sophisticated judgments, that is, their definitions, only obscure the meaning of these words. :)
And one more thing from my creed – no matter how hard we try to mess things up, the world will still turn for the better...
С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"... - Чжуан-цзы Сильванис
Dr.van
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What is virtue? Is it chastity? No, I answer, because the human race would die out. Is it in marital cohabitation? No, there is more virtue in abstinence. Is it in not killing? No, because all order would be disrupted, and villains would kill the righteous. Is it in killing? No, killing destroys living creatures. Our truth and our good are only partially true and good, and they are stained with evil and falsehood.
Моё имя останется ввеках :smile24: Я прошел через сансару многих рождений. Рожденье вновь и вновь — горестно.
Б. ЕЛЬЦИН: "Я ХОТЕЛ, ЧТОБЫ ЛЮДИ БЫЛИ СВОБОДНЫ"
Giltonielle
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Well... Good and Evil are such subjective concepts... For example, you kill a bird or a deer to feed a friend who is dying of hunger – what have you done? Have you done good or evil? And if you kill someone who is your enemy – is that good, even if it means freeing the world from what is supposedly evil? But someone else loved that evil and considered it good. And it's always like that. You can't say for sure. Even love – eternal love – cannot be called good without reservation, because crimes, sins, and wars have been started in the name of love...
No mana. No excuse. :smile51:
Nowizard
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There is no good or evil; people do everything out of selfishness. For example, they save someone so that their conscience doesn't bother them. So-called "evil" also comes from selfishness.
Once, believe it or not, my cat almost fell out of the window. Luckily, I managed to grab her by the tail and pull her back into the room. I couldn't stand this cat; she was constantly scratching. And that time, she scratched me for pulling her by the tail. If she had fallen out of the window, I wouldn't have to clean up after her in the litter box anymore, she wouldn't smell in the bathroom anymore, there would be no more expenses for food, and since I can't stand her, my conscience wouldn't bother me. My sister, who adores her? Well, I'd say, "She fell," and that's it, not my fault. That's how your theory breaks down, sorry:
Want to know what good is? Read the Ten Commandments, try to live by them for at least one day, and "analyze" the result. I tried it, and I didn't regret it.:smile20:
Well... Good and Evil are such subjective concepts...
I agree. Although it has already been said that Good and Evil do not exist as such, that they are rather philosophical concepts, and one cannot exist without the other. The entire universe is built on the eternal conflict of these opposites. I am very interested in one question (exclusively from a philosophical point of view): Is war Good or Evil? For me, the answer is obvious... But is it always a manifestation of evil, violence, and a kind of expression of "love for one's neighbor"? How can we reconcile this with the assertion that there is no pure Good or absolute Evil?
Иногда они возвращаются :smile27: Бросайте флуд и оффтоп из раздела пятерки в Флудовские ссылки или мне в личку.
I agree. Although it has already been said that there is no such thing as absolute Good and Evil, that these are rather philosophical concepts, and one cannot exist without the other. The entire universe is built on the eternal conflict of these opposites. I am very interested in one question (exclusively from a philosophical point of view): Is war Good or Evil? For me, the answer is obvious... But is it always a manifestation of evil, violence, and a kind of expression of "love for one's neighbor"? How can we reconcile this with the assertion that there is neither pure Good nor absolute Evil?
When you defend your homeland, it's a good thing because you're not fighting, you're defending your homeland (I hope I'm being understood correctly).
Thank you for sharing your opinion! But I asked this specific question for a reason... It's not as simple as it seems at first glance, and the answer is obvious to me. Since we're talking about Good and Evil, and about War as an embodiment of these concepts, I'd like to hear what you think about war from the perspective of human understanding of Good and Evil... For as long as humanity has existed, people have been fighting. And if war were Absolute Evil, people would likely have either abandoned it or gone extinct (it seems Kennedy said, "Either we will end war, or war will end us!"). And regarding fighting for one's country, that's a very interesting argument! Leaders accuse other countries and peoples of all sorts of sins, appeal to patriots, and start wars (it seems Frederick the Great once noted that if our soldiers knew the truth about why all wars are fought, there would be no one to send into battle)... It has always been this way, and there are probably very few exceptions. The Crusaders carried their faith on the tips of their spears, and missionaries converted people to Christianity not only with the word of God! A very telling phrase is: If God is with us, then who is against us? (By the way, Reagan, it seems, called us the Evil Empire – so does that mean the USA is the Empire of Good?)
Иногда они возвращаются :smile27: Бросайте флуд и оффтоп из раздела пятерки в Флудовские ссылки или мне в личку.
I am very interested in one question (purely from a philosophical point of view): Is war good or evil? For me, the answer is obvious... But is it always a manifestation of evil, violence, and a kind of expression of "love for one's neighbor"? How should we reconcile this with the assertion that there is no pure good or absolute evil?
Don't you think that war is something absolute? War is, first and foremost, a cleansing. A cleansing of societal elements that, for a number of reasons, must be eliminated for the sake of the nation's prosperity. *Excerpts from a neo-Nazi work)))*. And I believe that war probably serves as a solution when diplomacy and other skills :cool: don't work. As for the expression of love for one's neighbor, I don't know, I don't know... because even being on the winning side, you can't always say that you have won... Sometimes victory is a Pyrrhic one. This is an example of the duality of every element of existence... In my opinion, the philosophy of dualism can rightfully be considered the starting point for the desire to determine the nature of being. Although, of course, a lot has already been said about this)))
Thank you for sharing your opinion! But I asked this specific question for a reason... It's not as simple as it seems at first glance, and the answer is obvious to me. Since we're talking about Good and Evil, and about War as an embodiment of these concepts, I'd like to hear what you think about war from the perspective of human understanding of Good and Evil... As long as humanity has existed, people have been at war. And if war were Absolute Evil, people would have either abandoned it or gone extinct (it seems Kennedy said, "Either we will end war, or war will end us!"). And the argument about fighting for one's country is also very interesting! Leaders accuse other countries and peoples of all mortal sins, appeal to patriots, and start wars (it seems Frederick the Great once noted: "If our soldiers knew the truth – why all wars are fought – there would be no one to send into battle"). It has always been this way, and there are probably very few exceptions. The Crusaders carried their faith on the tips of their spears, and missionaries spread Christianity not only with the holy word! A very telling phrase is: "If God is with us, then who is against us?" (By the way, Reagan, it seems, called us the Empire of Evil – so does that mean the USA is the Empire of Good?).
Reagan called Russia the empire of evil, thereby calling the USA the empire of idiots :) He must have watched too many Hollywood movies where Schwarzenegger twists Stalin's head off :D I can't remember that phrase of his without laughing :smile52:
Бог есть любовь
Ganymed
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It is politically clear why Reagan called the USSR the "evil empire." He was, by the way, the last competent president of the United States who managed to keep the country at the peak of its ideological "avant-garde of progress and civilization." After him, everything collapsed like a house of cards, and the United States now resembles a character from a comic book.
Regarding wars – is it good or evil? Again, it depends on the perspective. Misfortune for an individual is the result of their incorrect relationship with the universe. The same applies to a nation; war is the "response" of the universe to the nation's degradation and, therefore, contributes to its revival or demise, depending on the state of degradation. World War I led to the demise of Tsarist Russia, despite the fact that it was at the peak of its power at that time (in 1913, Russia was the world leader in grain exports, gold reserves, and other criteria), i.e., it was essentially a "colossus with feet of clay." World War II contributed to the revival of the USSR and the collapse of the Reich. And further – the war in Afghanistan led to the collapse of the USSR and the strengthening of Afghanistan (two paradoxes, where the aggressor suffers a collapse, and the defender is revived). Thus, war is a kind of "litmus test" for the parties involved – it exposes weakness and reveals strength.
Настоящие герои - не те, пред кем мы преклоняемся, а те, кого мы оплевываем...[/COLOR] ----------------------------- "So much has gone and little is new"
David Bowie
Tengro
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In general, I like the historical phrase in the question, which is 100% correct:
"Good always triumphs over evil. Whoever wins is the good one."
It's the same faith. Tell me, what faith was spread to non-believers using the same methods it preached? (Let's not mention Islam, because a true Muslim is OBLIGATED to respect other prophets, if I have accurate information).
"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ
"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
Silvanis
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Daoism. It wasn't preached at all – that is, it followed the very principles it advocated. It spread exclusively through the student-teacher model on a voluntary basis.
С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"... - Чжуан-цзы Сильванис
