Posts from Which came first: matter or spirit?

Paleontology confirms: the egg appeared earlier (millions of years before the chicken). And some reptile laid that egg.

But who laid the reptile?:D :D :D

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An atheistic theory is inherently flawed because if a person doesn't believe in anything, nothing influences them (although there are possible exceptions). I believe that spirit came first because spirit can exist without matter and be much more productive.

but this is beyond our consciousness, as it primarily perceives matter, while the spirit is realized personally through experience. In general, atheism is rational, while faith is irrational, and therefore subjective. One can believe in anything, and in this sense, it is "flawed," while knowledge acquired through experience, including spiritual experience, provides a clear understanding of both oneself and the surrounding world. Both atheism and faith, with a sound approach, can ultimately lead to the same thing – KNOWLEDGE (confidence through experience), which is what a person should strive for.

This cannot be outside of our consciousness because consciousness includes experience (if I understood your post correctly).

I meant the life of the spirit outside of matter. It is beyond consciousness because consciousness perceives the combination of matter and spirit together. When matter disappears, the life of the spirit becomes unknown to consciousness.

Yes, but there is some evidence of the existence of a spirit without a body, and not all of it is absurd and nonsense (although most of it is).

I believe that matter is merely a shell that encompasses the spirit. Matter hinders the spirit from performing great deeds, but the spirit also cannot exist without matter. To accomplish great things, one must be able to leave matter behind and return again...

Yes, but there is some evidence of the existence of a spirit without a body, and not all of it is absurd and nonsense (although most of it is).

But this is already a matter of faith, i.e., irrational. If someone says that they have seen something unknown and unverifiable, then you can believe them, or you can not believe them; this does not add to personal knowledge, as it does not happen to the person themselves, but comes from the outside, as external information.
If I say, for example, that I spoke with God, you will probably not believe me, so for me it is an experience, and for you it is external information that you can believe or not believe.

The soul exists initially, even before it enters a body. I've mentioned somewhere that earthly life is like a test, an exam. Remember the painting where God grants Adam reason: behind God, there are many people – human souls that haven't yet acquired bodies. And matter is just like a stone. A stone doesn't have a soul. What can a stone do? Nothing! :) It just lies there. You can spit on it, throw it somewhere to get it out of the way, or even paint it! The same goes for the human body. What can a corpse do? Nothing! It's even more useless than a stone. But when the body is controlled by the soul... a person becomes alive and can, if they wish, move mountains. The soul is independent of the body.

Let's recall the Bible! What is written there! God created everything: light, earth, and man! And God is the creator of all living things! He is omnipresent! God is love! He is immortal! This means he is indeed the Spirit! I don't know how to explain this properly! But for the atheists, I will say: there is our earth, there are other planets, and finally there is space—all of this is matter. But first: none of this is eternal; everything will eventually die after many millions of years, but it will die. This means matter cannot be primary, because it is mortal! And second: someone or something created our universe, our cosmos! Spread life across the planets! For believers, this is God! For atheists, this is reason, nature, chance (someone or something manages this regardless)! But He is eternal, intangible, invisible, omnipresent! He exists! And He is the Spirit! Maybe it's a jumble! I can't explain it any other way! But Spirit is more primary than matter! And certainly not the other way around! Even a stone will eventually crumble, but the soul cannot die; for how can the mortal be more primary than the immortal? If the spirit has ALWAYS been, while matter is born and dies?! IMHO

of course, it's the spirit. The spirit is an immortal soul that will live and fly without a physical body, while the body without a soul will only end up in a grave. So, the spirit naturally comes first, and the body follows.

Or perhaps there is some third force at play?

Ganymede, is belief in one's own existence rational? And, by the way, is solipsism rational? If you consider them rational, then you are contradicting yourself, as they cannot be derived from our experience.

As for the topic itself... the very formulation of the question is very imprecise.
Firstly, as Einstein showed (and as Christianity asserts!), time exists only together with matter - that is, God is outside of time, and therefore, paradoxically, appeared (from the point of view of time!) at the same moment as matter.
Secondly, in reality, to solve this question, it would be necessary to first, at least in the most general terms, determine what we define as spirit and what as matter, and where to draw the line between them.

No, most likely, everything arose simultaneously. One without the other simply does not exist. If an object has only one thing, then it is not a complete object. Everything that exists exists materially, but contains a spirit within it. Everything that does not exist exists on a spiritual level, but contains a material potential within it. The simplest example is poetry. What is it – lines fixed on paper, containing words in the right order? Or is it an idea permeating the unwritten paper? Everything appears simultaneously. A poem is an idea captured in a form, or a form reflecting an idea. But not just one thing.