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Offline Agilist
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There will never be a definitive answer to this question, so I suggest we simply share our opinions and see which one prevails.

I believe that matter came first, and then spirit, because matter is its vessel.
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Spirit, because matter cannot create spirit, but spirit can create matter – this is more realistic.
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I am a Christian. Therefore, I believe that in the beginning, there was spirit – the Holy Spirit from God. Then God began to create the world, and that’s when matter appeared.
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Spirit, because matter cannot create spirit, but spirit can create matter – this is more realistic.
In that case, the question is: how will the spirit create matter? Isn't it more realistic that a spirit will randomly originate within matter?
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In that case, the question is: how will the spirit create matter? Isn't it more realistic that the spirit will randomly originate in matter?
The spirit is more... uh... advanced in terms of development than matter. Moreover, the influence of thought on matter has already been proven. So it is not excluded that the spirit can create the simplest matter and inhabit it:)
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If we consider this from the perspective of human consciousness, then both are inseparable, because matter without spirit turns to dust, and spirit without matter is meaningless in its essence, because it is, in fact, the life of matter, i.e., it makes it real and allows it to develop in existence. Therefore, I agree with the author of the topic. And also: spirit depends on matter, as it lives within it from the moment of its birth and until the physical conditions for the birth and existence of matter are fulfilled.
Настоящие герои - не те, пред кем мы преклоняемся, а те, кого мы оплевываем...[/COLOR]
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If we reason according to the laws of human consciousness, then both are inextricably linked, because matter without spirit turns to dust, and spirit without matter is meaningless in essence, because it is, in fact, the life of matter, i.e., it makes it real and developing in existence. Therefore, I agree with the author of the topic.

And also: the spirit depends on matter, since it lives in it from the moment of birth and until the physical conditions for the birth and existence of matter are fulfilled.
Then the body (matter) decays, and the soul (spirit) continues to live. So, on the contrary, the body depends on the spirit.
Бог есть любовь
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you can think however you want, but the soul is immortal, and the body dies...

And to be honest, the question is similar to the question "what came first: the chicken or the egg?"
Ничего нет только у мёртвого - у живого есть хотя бы жизнь...
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You can think however you want, but the soul is immortal, and the body dies...

And honestly, the question is similar to the question "What came first: the chicken or the egg?"
That's right, because the chicken came first:p
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That's right, because the chicken came first:p
Seriously though, I'm sure the egg came first. A chicken hatched from it. The creature that laid the egg was similar to a chicken, but not a chicken.:smile03:
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Seriously, I'm sure the egg came first. A chicken hatched from it. The creature that laid the egg was similar to a chicken, but not a chicken:smile03:
A rooster, or what?:smile04: And did electricity appear before chairs?:smile52: :smile04: :smile52:
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Or perhaps spirit and matter appeared simultaneously?
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That's right, because the chicken came first:p
Paleontology confirms: the egg appeared earlier (millions of years before the chicken). And some reptile laid that egg.
Твой дом там, где твоё сердце.
Все люди - братья, но в каждом из нас спит волк.
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Then the body (matter) decays, and the soul (spirit) continues to live. So, it's the opposite – the body depends on the spirit. A body without a soul cannot live. A person deprived of a soul will not turn into a zombie or become a "vegetable"; they will simply cease to exist. They will die.

Yes, the spirit continues to live, but in a different matter... and in a different way. When matter disappears, the spirit that animates the matter will also disappear. The spirit is the "breath" of God in matter and for matter. This refers to the universe compressed into a person's consciousness, of course. Everything else is Divine Darkness.
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And what if we look at all this from an atheistic point of view? Then "spirit" is not the soul, but the consciousness of a person (the brain). Then matter is primary. After all, in our case, the body appeared first, and then intelligent and not-so-intelligent thoughts.
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Another interesting question is what existed before the emergence of spirit/matter...
Restless. Endless. Mindless.
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З.Ы: кадилом по голове не бить.

З.З.Ы: А вот у нас в Шио....:D
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