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A couple of years ago, we allowed the use of air control on Balance and Panic maps. No one complained, no one filed reports to the Admin Council, but that didn't stop them from adding a rule prohibiting it without any voting. However, it would be absurd to after introducing the ban, invalidate the results of matches in which this ban was violated before its introduction, even though I personally had a tournament match on Balance where I won only with the help of air control. But we can't just cancel it now. The discussion about the Shaman's ability bug took place several months ago. The thread contains a statement from Dirty regarding this issue, containing the thesis that it "makes sea units usable" and there is no point in banning them. It also contains a post from Maydak, in which he informs the public that before using this feature, he consulted with another member of the Admin Council - Mizrael, and received the answer that "what is not prohibited is allowed." That is, the Admin Council knew about the whole situation, and no measures were taken. Question: what is the fundamental difference between air control on Balance and the Shaman's ability bug? Why does the prohibition of the first not require appeals to the Admin Council, but the prohibition of the second does? Of course, the bug needs to be banned (and it should have been banned after the first incident), but why should Redwhite have to replay a fairly won match?
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Tampering with the code will be immediately noticed; there have already been such clever individuals like RBV.
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-using third-party/unauthorized programs is prohibited (i.e., hacking the game/saves/manually editing text files, and who knows what else - is prohibited); only legal software can be used, and a list of it is available in the rules.
You misunderstood. We are talking about analyzing the game to identify exploits, similar to the Captain's Hat. I assure you that any program always has plenty of "holes." And using these "holes" does not necessarily require third-party software.
For example, if certain actions can make a stack invulnerable in a battle with neutrals or allow you to build giants in a tavern without heroes, giants, etc. (without using third-party software). Is this allowed by the rules?
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A couple of years ago, we allowed the use of air control on Balance and Panic. No one caused a fuss, no one filed complaints with the AC, but that didn't stop them from adding a clause to the rules prohibiting it without any voting. But it would be absurd after introducing the ban to annul the results of matches in which this ban was violated before its introduction, although I personally had a tournament match on Balance that I won only with the help of control. But we can't just cancel it now.

What does air control on Panic and mashing infinite turns have in common? It's not comparable. It's the same as if I now learn how to somehow magically create infinite Archons by going into some object (let's say it's a bug) and win a lost game... I think everyone will immediately view this differently, even though it won't be described in the rules.

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You don't understand. We're talking about analyzing to identify exploits similar to the Captain's Hat. I assure you that any program always has plenty of "holes." And to use these "holes," you don't need to use third-party software.
For example, if certain actions can make a stack invulnerable in a battle with neutrals or build giants in a tavern without nagas, djinns, etc. (without using third-party software). Is this allowed by the rules?
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лето 2012.
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Question: What is the fundamental difference between balance-related air control and the ShA bug? Why doesn't banning the former require appeals to the Arbitration Committee (AK), while banning the latter does?

The bug should definitely be banned (and should have been banned after the first incident), but why should Redwhite have to replay a fairly won game?
I don't think the game was won fairly (see the post above), but I'm not insisting on a technical review or a replay. Let the AK decide what to do in this situation.
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So, the exploit used by Redwait is not a "feature." (C) Nitro

After these words, any normal person should think about it, because they are true!

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Guys, there's also a bug where you can escape from shackles while preserving your artifacts and hero.
I'll explain how to use it so that it can be added to the rules as an unauthorized exploit.
When a hero with shackles attacks you, there's an option to exit the game. When you load the game, you'll have your hero with all the artifacts in the tavern! This was discovered completely by chance while reviewing a save file from a winning game.
Когда рестартов не осталось, обязательно ждите Гурниссона без балисты:D

Комплимент который сделал мой день:
Катя ЭПИК барышня) вы бы видели как пялились на её сиськи молодёж) я та с девушкой был) но всё равно пялился ) потому что хорошие) (с) Browser

Слабая раздача, которую заиграл исключительно из-за колпака на 111. (с) Сатир

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Basically. The bug is fixed, but not everyone knows how to use it. Share the knowledge, guys!
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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Basically, the bug is fixed, but not everyone knows how to use it. Share it, guys!
Actually, Reddit recorded a video tutorial on the stream.
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Basically. The bug is fixed, but not everyone knows how to use it. Share it, guys!

We're playing tomorrow. No way!! :D


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We're playing tomorrow. No excuses!! :D

Lol, so you know how to use it, but I don't. If I lose because of this, I'll start a fight that hasn't been seen here in a long time.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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If I lose because of this crap, I'll raise hell that the forums haven't seen in a long time.
That's why the admiral's hat should not only be allowed but also encouraged...
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Here's the "Newbie-2015. Winter Season" tournament. In the "Requirements for Participants" section, there's point 3: 3. Players who are already quite strong and have shown good results in any tournament are not allowed to participate in the tournament. But why was YaR allowed to participate in this tournament? He has participated in other tournaments and shown good results... It's unclear... Or Hiwanna, Socrat... they are definitely not newbies either... The question is, why create point 3 if it's not being followed?!
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Here's a quote from the "Newbie-2015. Winter Season" tournament, specifically from the section titled "Requirements for Participants," point 3:
3. Players who are already quite strong and have shown good results in any tournament are not allowed to participate in this tournament.
But why was YaR allowed to participate in this tournament? He has participated in other tournaments and shown good results... It's unclear... Or Hiwanna, Socrat... They are definitely not newbies... The question is, why create point 3 if it's not being followed?!
If you've been playing online for less than a year, then you're a newbie.
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Yegor Korobeynikov
If you've been playing online for less than a year, you're a newbie.
What does this have to do with it? The question is different. It's specifically about point 3.
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In the "Newbie-2015. Winter Season" tournament, there's a clause in the "Requirements for Participants" section: 3. Players who have already demonstrated considerable skill and achieved good results in any tournament are not eligible to participate. But why was YaR allowed to participate in this tournament? He has participated in other tournaments and shown good results... It's unclear... Or Hiwanna, Socrat... They are definitely not newbies either... The question is, why create clause 3 if it's not being followed?
YaR, Hiwanna, Socrat... Maybe they aren't newbies to you, but they are perfect for this tournament. Judging by your results, this tournament is too challenging for you. There are different kinds of newbies. One recent newbie almost won the main forum tournament, so what? And can you please tell me in which tournaments Hiwanna, Socrat, and YaR showed "good results"? And what do you consider a "good result"? A couple of wins in fun tournaments for Hiwanna? Because he doesn't seem to have played anywhere else.
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