Angels as a race. — New ideas.

Registered: 12/10/2006

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#102 4/1/2007 1:06 PM UTC

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The race isn't bad, but the Cupids need to be removed (at least because creating a unit with the name of a god isn't quite right, otherwise it will lead to situations like: "I recently defeated 10 Zeuses with 20 champions"). Also, a cherub as a winged lion – that doesn't work. It needs to be renamed. And I would also like to see the Anglo race as a race of air spirits, not as a reworking of the angel hierarchy (if that's how it's going to be done, then monks should be placed on the lower levels).

Registered: 2/14/2007

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#103 4/1/2007 1:22 PM UTC

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Well, if we're getting into it, why are only light angels being discussed here? There are plenty of other subtypes of angels! And then it becomes a questionable matter who to pit these angels against — darkness or light?

And regarding a fully flying race... Why be so critical? There are winged creatures that can only take a short leap (hop, call it what you will...), which won't even be able to overcome many obstacles, let alone city walls... Besides, where is it said that absolutely ALL angels are winged in the first place?

Also, in my opinion, it wouldn't be a bad idea to create a bodiless spirit of light, with a chance to hit it similar to ghosts, around 50%...

By the way, regarding ranged units? I've never once encountered angels with ranged weapons... Or will they only attack with magic?

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Wie oft hab ich mich schon gefragt
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#104 4/1/2007 3:20 PM UTC

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So, with ranged staffs, throwing plasma balls...

And the cherub indeed has a lion's head. More precisely, two heads - a human one and a lion's one. Although, in my opinion, it's not worth clinging too much to mythology.

Registered: 10/29/2006

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#105 4/1/2007 5:11 PM UTC

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Saruman: now "Cupid" is used as a common noun. People often talk about him in the plural and rarely remember that he is a god. After all, we don't criticize "archangels" because there should be seven of them... There's nothing wrong with that. Nightly Edelweiss: First, I'm trying to compensate for the flying ability with non-ranged attacks. Second, the third and fifth levels are non-flying (wingless). The first level can be made "jumping"... And in general, he's a ranged attacker, it says so, honestly. Gamehunter: I'm trying to draw evenly from religion, myths, and angelology. Even if it's not uniform, it's not a big deal.

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Registered: 2/14/2007

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#106 4/1/2007 5:15 PM UTC

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Machete, I apologize, I just didn't pay much attention to the unit descriptions. And still, in my opinion, it would have been nice to give another unit the ability to shoot. Let it shoot energy blasts or something like that...

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Wo Du gerade bist
Wie oft hab ich mich schon gefragt
Ob Dir gerade Liebe widerfahrt...

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#107 4/1/2007 9:29 PM UTC

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Saruman;79695

The faction is good, but the Cupids should be removed.

In my opinion, the only ones who should remain in the description as Machete sees them are the Cupids. There are inaccuracies in all other units, and we will now all work together to correct them.
Let's take the Seraphim and Cherubim. According to Christian beliefs, their main function is defensive. And Cherubim are also guardian angels, which does not match the name and essence of the improved unit of the 3rd level. But at the same time, according to the "Book of Enoch," both Seraphim and Cherubim reside in the sixth heaven, which aligns with Machete's suggestion to place them on the sixth level (i.e., it is not worth moving these angels to a lower level). Therefore, I suggest somehow correcting the 3rd level.

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#108 4/2/2007 1:08 AM UTC

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I don’t know about you, but for me, a winged lion with a human head is associated with the D&D lamassu, and before I learned about them, it had no association with angels whatsoever... The cherub design should be replaced.

Cupid — it’s not just about the name; the Greek Cupid doesn’t really fit with light-aligned angels. IMO, something like “acolytes” would look better.

Fighter — it’s basically fine, but “warrior” would sound more elegant.

Illumination — also not on theme; replace it with “saint” at least, or “blessed” perhaps.

And also, it would be better to place Angels/Archangels somewhere in the middle, and in the replaced castle actually replace them with paladins (like in 2), also remove monks and put them on the lower tiers of the celestial castle.
Thus, you get two castles — one pseudo-European, the other pseudo-celestial — allied with each other. This would look very organic and cohesive.

Registered: 1/31/2007

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#109 4/2/2007 2:40 AM UTC

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I didn't like the "lighting" either. It feels like some kind of object! A lighting...
It's better to use something truly sacred.
And "power" should also be replaced. I mean, just the name.

Registered: 10/29/2006

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#110 4/2/2007 4:02 AM UTC

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Well, I don't know what would be a better replacement for the cherubs, as this appearance is the most playable of all the ones I've found. Or should I make fluttering, childlike faces with wings, like in the Bible?

I didn't change all the names I wanted to from the text... Unfortunately, I don't have time to finish it now, but I'll fix it in the near future.
I will copy all the changes to the first post.
If you come up with anything, please help.

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#111 4/2/2007 6:50 AM UTC

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I also didn't like the ''lighting''. It's like some kind of object! A lighting fixture...
It's much better to have something truly holy.
And ''Authority'' should also be replaced. I mean, just the name.

There is one name that shouldn't be changed, and that's the name of the Authorities (as well as Seraphim, Cherubim, and Dominions), because it exists in the angelic hierarchy. The only thing that needs to be considered regarding this unit is its appearance and abilities. According to the classification of angels, Authorities belong to the second triad of angelic ranks and are responsible for balance in the universe, as well as for the unwavering integrity of the hierarchy. In my opinion, the presence of Authorities on the battlefield should lead to a reduction in the damage dealt by any (i.e., regardless of belonging to the army in which the Authorities are located) lower-level unit to a higher-level unit, or randomly completely negate the damage dealt by a lower-level unit to a higher-level unit several times during the battle.

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Well, I don't know what would be a better replacement for the Cherubim, because this appearance is the most playable of all that I have found.

Maybe it will be not a lion with wings and a human face, but a person dressed in angelic robes, with wings and a lion's head.

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#112 4/2/2007 5:09 PM UTC

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There's one name that definitely shouldn't be changed, and that's the name of the Powers (as well as Seraphim, Cherubim, and Dominions), because it exists in the angelic hierarchy. The only thing to consider regarding this unit is its appearance and abilities. According to the classification of angels, the Powers belong to the second triad of angelic ranks and are responsible for balance in the universe, as well as for the unwavering hierarchical integrity. In my opinion, the presence of Powers on the battlefield should lead to a reduction in the damage dealt by any (i.e., regardless of belonging to the army in which the Powers are located) lower-level unit to a higher-level unit, or randomly completely negate the damage dealt by a lower-level unit to a higher-level unit several times during the battle...

...Well, I don't know what would be a better replacement for the Cherubim, because this appearance is the most playable of all that I've found...

maybe it could be not a lion with wings and a human face, but a person dressed in angelic robes, with wings and a lion's head.

In order for the names to look more specific and satisfy everyone, I think it is necessary to name them angels of something (angel of power, angel of the throne, angel of light).
The name "Guardian" (upgrade of the Protector), for some of the reasons mentioned, is replaced with "Guardian of Fates".
For now, that's it.

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#113 4/2/2007 5:21 PM UTC

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Well, I don't know what would be a better replacement for the cherubs, because this design is the most appealing of all the ones I've found. Or should I make fluttering, childlike faces with wings, like in the Bible?

I don't think there's anything like that... This is an 18th-century invention, a copy of cupids. I've always felt nauseous looking at such angelic figures:mad:

Novices, upgrading to monks – that's the best option for the first tier, in my opinion.

С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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Registered: 3/3/2006

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#114 4/2/2007 9:01 PM UTC

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I suggest:
swapping the fifth and fourth levels, i.e., switching the positions of the warriors and the dominions. As a result:
powers and dominions on the fourth (this is logical since in the angelic hierarchy they are from the same triad), and warriors and thrones on the fifth levels. Although in my view, thrones should be moved to the seventh level: 1) they are from the highest triad of angelic ranks, 2) they possess the ability to predict the future, based on which a very serious ability characteristic of a high-level unit could be devised. Pair them with illuminations, after renaming them as radiations (such a name is used by Gregory own same as Theologian). Remove Celestials.
Thus it looks like:
1.Cupid
Elder Cupid
2.Herald
Celestial Herald
3.Guardian
Guardian of Fate
4.Power
Dominion
5 Warrior
?
6.Cherub
Seraph
7 Throne
radiation

Registered: 10/29/2006

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#115 4/3/2007 3:46 AM UTC

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I understand that it's not ideal to upgrade an angel from one triad to another, but if we don't pay too much attention to the hierarchy, I like my version better.
Sylvan: instead of cupids? If not, which one should be removed and how should the others be moved?
...I also need to come up with a racial ability that fits in.

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#116 4/3/2007 5:56 AM UTC

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Machete, let it be your version, but I still suggest replacing the lighting with radiance. Also, please consider changing levels 4 and 5. On level 4, let there be Authorities and Dominions (I explained why above). And on level 5, let there be Warriors, upgradeable to Angels of Power (or simply Powers), who are known to appear during battle in the name of faith, which, as it seems to me, aligns with the essence of the warriors you created.
In general, the forces known as "radiant" or "shining" are angels of miracles, help, and blessing. From this, they can either cast the Blessing spell or, like Authorities, randomly influence the damage dealt by a weaker unit to a stronger one several times during battle, for example, by doubling it. They are also allowed to interfere with everything related to the laws of physics on Earth, but they are also responsible for upholding these laws. Therefore, they can enhance the effect of Earth magic when used by a hero whose army includes these forces, and conversely, weaken its effect when used by an opponent.

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