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#46
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Does this happen often?
Well, that's exactly what I'm saying – it doesn't happen often.

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#47
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Is this a common occurrence?
We can recall, from classic universes, the D&D multiverse, where there are three distinct races: devils (baatezu) - obsessed with order and rules, manipulative bureaucrats; demons (tanari) - embodiments of mischief and chaos; and daemons (yugoloths) - who don't care about the concepts of order and chaos, often acting as mercenaries for the tanari or baatezu. But here, all three races are inherently evil, and exceptions are found, perhaps, only among half-breeds and those who have been magically influenced (for example, through their true name). It is also worth noting that in the multiverse, demons are created from evil, godless individuals, although I don't remember if this applies to all of them or just leads them all to become yugoloths.
We can also recall the demons in Disciples, whose leader, Bezresen, was actually a very kind fellow, and now he is angry and seeks revenge solely because other angels framed him out of envy, and the Almighty turned out to be a jerk and believed them. Damn, the world of Disciples is in such a mess precisely because of what these envious angels did. The demons now are also not the most pleasant guys, but they don't all serve Bezresen - Uther, for example, tried to overthrow him in the campaign.
Heroes can also serve as a good example: in the cool universe, demons are not demons at all, but aliens, just aliens with a very bad temper and a habit of enslaving the inhabitants. However, in other respects, they more or less fill the niche of their classic counterparts. But in the crappy universe, Ashan, demons suffer more from living conditions and the tyrannical rule of Kha-Beleth, but we are shown that there are also quite pleasant guys among them. It is also noteworthy that Kha-Beleth came to power not least because many demons found meritocracy appealing.
If you need more unusual examples, there is Dragon Age, where demons and spirits are reflections of human emotions. Not entirely a race, but sentient beings. One of their features is that if a person believes that this spirit of wisdom is a demon, then the spirit of wisdom will indeed turn into a demon. At the same time, the line is quite thin, and even not all "bad" spirits, such as sloth or pride, are aggressive. Their aggression is often caused by the fact that they are either a reflection of this emotion, or they were torn from their world and went mad because of the suffering, or they wanted to see what this world is like and tried to enter through a mortal. Sometimes this is caused by a misunderstanding of how human emotions work: the spirit of mercy, Kol, for example, killed suffering people (he did ask for their permission, though). And at the very beginning of Origins, if you play as a mage, we encounter two quite peaceful demons: the first is a demon of sloth and, even if in exchange for a service, is summoned to help us. The other is a demon of pride and spends most of the prologue trying to play on our vanity, but even if the player succumbs to the tricks, he reveals himself in the final of the prologue and gives good advice for the future, instead of turning the situation to his advantage.
There are plenty of examples, in short. Although some of them are minor, for example, in Endless Legend, any empire can assimilate a smaller faction of the Khezanji (they are demons), one of many types of living creatures inhabiting Auriga. Even this is an example of demons portrayed as living beings, and not as the source of all evil.
If you want, it's not difficult to find examples, my friend.
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#48
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the first is a demon of sloth, and even if it's in exchange for a favor, it is summoned to help us.
He simply doesn't care about anything because he is a demon of sloth.
but even if the player falls for the trick – reveals himself in the final part of the prologue and gives useful advice for the future, instead of turning the situation to his advantage.
It's just protection against IDIOTS who click on dialogue options without reading the text; there's no point in it.
And you yourself wrote that, regardless of the circumstances, demons always embody evil (no matter how they got there).
Where do we go?
Where do we end up when we save the world?
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#49
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demons always embody evil
Often, but not always, and not only them. You should read more carefully.
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Ple-Sen
Often, but not always, and not just them. You should read more carefully.
The vast majority of demons are evil. Is that better?
Even your half-demon allies with Arandor were evil!
Where do we go?
Where do we end up when we save the world?
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and they are not the only ones.
Don't forget about the Ancient Gods, don't hold up the line, please be quick. So, what do we have here, demons again? No, I'm sorry, you've already been the worldwide evil, let others have a chance, go to the end of the line.

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Mute Flower
I remember I once had an idea to run an expansion based on the nation-states of HeroesWorld players.
I don't know what will come of this, or if anything will come of it at all, but I created the thread.

Стартовый пост - Квенты - Разное - Список НПС - Турнир -
Резара - Аксель - Орвальд - ЭмилияСтэфания - Амвросий - ЛестерАльсираАлария

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Come on, even your half-demon creatures with Arandor were evil!
Everyone there was evil, except for Agnet.
Don't forget about the Old Gods, don't hold up the line, please be quick.
The Old Gods don't fit the example of demons as a race. Nor do the fel-corrupted races, like those that make up the "Burning Legion." Because demons in WoW aren't a separate species, but mutants of other species. Some of them, for example, the annihilan, were all corrupted. I didn't mention the Warhammer demons from the warp either, because although the original idea is close to that of Diablo, it's used more to create various monsters. Besides, it's Warhammer, there are no positive factions there.
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Everyone there was evil, except for Agnet.
But only Arandor killed innocent people.
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#55
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And what about Adrian, the cockblocker?
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#56
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The flower wasn't entirely sentient, and all Ataraxians were evil! And he couldn't even kill the witch.
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Come to think of it, even your half-demon minions with Arandor were evil!
RACIST
just a common bandit. Don't judge actions based on origin; it's not like all people are good.

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The flower wasn't entirely rational, and all Ataraxians were evil!
And they weren't entirely rational either, so he might not have needed to mention the evil part.
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Ple-Sen
And they aren't entirely sane either, so he might not have mentioned the evil part.
Of course, they have so many renegades; normal people would never allow such a thing.
Where do we go?
Where do we end up when we save the world?