- What are the drawbacks of Heroes 3? (What didn't you like about it?) — General

Wlk777

5/23/2009 6:29 PM UTC

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Avenger

1. Apparently, you didn't read my message carefully, as there was no suggestion to play with only one hero. The criticism was about the lack of increased income when purchasing a new hero.

2. The ability to use all resources (even at the first levels) is a sign of skill (I'm talking about using 5 heroes).
This is completely different from playing with only archangels.

1. All the strong players I know hire many heroes; in my successful games, the problem of a shortage of the 8-hero limit appears quite quickly. The desire to limit the number of heroes clearly indicates the level of play, just like...
2. It is precisely the use of what you called "first-level resources" in the early days of online games that mainly determines the outcome of the game, for your information. I am becoming more and more convinced that you know very little about 3 heroes and probably can't play them properly.

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LeBron

5/25/2009 6:00 AM UTC

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Lider1

Tazar is awesome ;)

Wistan is awesome;)
Brogkh is awesome;)
The swamp is just ridiculously overpowered – it needs to be banned.

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Мститель

5/25/2009 9:08 AM UTC

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Wlk777

1. All the strong players I know hire a lot of heroes; in my successful games, the problem of a shortage of the 8-hero limit appears quite quickly. The desire to limit the number of heroes clearly indicates the level of play, as well as...
2. It is precisely the use of what you called "early-level resources" in the early days of online games that mainly determines the outcome of the game, for your information. I am increasingly convinced that you know very little about 3 heroes and probably cannot play them properly.

1. No one disputes this; it is true. I've been saying this from the beginning.
2. You yourself claim that "I said so."

That is, I don't understand at all what you wanted to say.
I agree completely that I play Heroes 5 much better than Heroes 3.
But you would express your thought a little more clearly so that we could discuss it further!

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Wlk777

5/25/2009 9:23 AM UTC

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Avenger

1. No one argues with that; it's true. I've been saying this from the beginning.
2. You yourself claim that "I said so."

So, I don't understand what you wanted to say at all.
I completely agree that I play Heroes 5 much better than Heroes 3.
But you could express your thought a little more clearly so that we could continue the discussion!

I'll try to be clearer: in online battles in Heroes 3 between strong players, the outcome is determined precisely by the ability to play with units of the initial levels; it doesn't happen very often that the game reaches Archangels, although you also need to know how to control them. Although, there's nothing wrong with the fact that if you manage to develop to that point, the game becomes easier, of course; I don't see this as a punishment for the difficulties in building them. As for buying additional heroes for more money, there's little point in it; it's unlikely to make the game more interesting, it might only slightly (and I mean slightly) level the playing field between novice and experienced players online.

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SteN

5/25/2009 2:47 PM UTC

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Are there any drawbacks to the third game? :smile07:

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Mir

8/19/2009 4:15 PM UTC

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I don't know, I think I like everything, but something is missing. I don't understand what it is myself.

Ty3o-ny3o

8/19/2009 5:06 PM UTC

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Actually, I feel the opposite: I don't like many of the things that modders and game developers try to introduce into Heroes 3. But the classic version, the official Heroes 3, satisfies everyone because it's a classic. With all its advantages and disadvantages. But even if something is wrong with it, I wouldn't dare criticize a game that I've devoted almost 10 years of my life to. I'm used to everything.

reptile

8/27/2009 3:26 AM UTC

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There are no drawbacks to the third installment; it’s (at least for me) the best strategy game of all time.

Erutan Rivol

6/24/2014 7:45 AM UTC

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Oh, I would change so many things... but let's leave that job to the developers.

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Burzum

1/5/2015 10:56 PM UTC

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I don't like it when a hero is offered a secondary Book of Knowledge or Eagle Eye.

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bolotnik

1/8/2015 1:31 PM UTC

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Burzum

I don't like it when a secondary Sorceress or Eagle Eye is offered to a hero :(

but a secondary hero with the Sorceress skill can be quite useful: being able to transfer spells from one hero to another on some maps will be very important, for example:
on a map, one hero receives from a scholar on the map or from a Pandora's Box: Resurrection, Town Portal, and other such spells of levels 3-4, then the hero-sorceress transfers these spells from that hero to the other heroes we play with.

Plotnick

1/16/2015 11:16 AM UTC

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In the third game, I don't like the useless features, just like in other games. For example, skills like "Keen Eye" or "Scouting". Or spells like "Protection from...", "Remove Obstacle", or "Frenzy". Also, there are artifacts that are not even worth picking up. In general, I don't like anything that seems pointless. I also don't like the need to buy spellbooks for non-mage units. Actually, if you think about it, you can come up with a lot of minor things. But overall, the third game is the best.

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Rabe

1/16/2015 11:49 AM UTC

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Plotnick

I don't like useless features in the third game, just like everywhere else.
For example, the skills "Keen Eye" and "Scouting".
Or spells like "Protection from...", "Remove Obstacle", or "Berserk", for example.
There are also artifacts that aren't even worth picking up.
In general, I don't like anything that seems pointless.
I also don't like the need to buy a spellbook for non-mages.

Actually, if you think about it, you can come up with a lot of minor things that are annoying. But overall, the third game is the best.

I agree with the last sentence 100%, but not with the first part:
Scouting is one of the best skills for scouting. And if there's a hut with scouting next to the castle, EVERYONE except the main hero will visit it.
Berserk is also great when a unit is guaranteed not to be attacked. It really almost doubles or triples the damage for archers, for example.
The question is that there are usually other spells that are more suitable and effective.
And artifacts are at least worth the gold you get from selling them to a merchant, not to mention that they can be found through quests.

Can anyone name a game where there's absolutely nothing лишнего (superfluous) and useless? It's hard enough to get rid of clutter and "just in case" items in real life

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Plotnick

1/19/2015 8:01 AM UTC

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What's the point of breaking it down into details? There's also the useless skill "First Aid," and I would argue about the usefulness of "Haste." Besides, "Haste" isn't the only spell that is practically unused. It's just too much work to make a list. Obviously, there are things that just sit there collecting dust. And if they were improved, then the game would become perfect.

Rabe

Can anyone give me just one game where there's nothing лишнего and useless? It would be great to get rid of the clutter and the "maybe it will be useful" items in real life.

I won't. We're talking about a specific game and what we don't like about IT.