[PROJECT] History Lessons — Philosophy

AlexeyPank

3/22/2007 6:07 PM UTC

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Based on the topics I've read, I've formed the following idea. Many of our users are interested in history, and some even study it professionally. Therefore, I propose that we conduct virtual history lessons in this section. Anyone who wishes can ask their question, and professional historians will try to answer it.
So, ask your questions.

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Nowizard

3/22/2007 6:35 PM UTC

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I don't think it's worth the effort. After all, true history and a historical chronicle are different things. In principle, it's possible, but please keep in mind that everything I say is based on textbooks and chronicles, which may not necessarily be true.

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Ganymed

3/22/2007 7:35 PM UTC

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However, we can also touch upon topics that are not strictly historical in the traditional sense. There are facts based on archaeological excavations and researched by scientists from various fields. Today, archaeology is very advanced, so many things hidden in chronicles or directly distorted in them are revealed to us.
For example, the history of Rus'. I already mentioned Arkaim in another thread. This is a city-observatory, which, according to scientists, is approximately 3500-3800 years old!! Arkaim is a contemporary of the famous Stonehenge, with a wider range of functions as an observatory. This is a fact. And it is a fact that is astonishing in itself.
Here, we can also mention the Country of Cities, a later period; reconstructed based on found artifacts (the Veles Books, in particular), the

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AlexeyPank

3/22/2007 7:50 PM UTC

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Regarding the Veles Book, I would argue against its authenticity. The material seems too dubious. However, I can tell you a story about archaeological excavations.
During my first year of university, we had a practical training session at Chicha. It's a settlement contemporary with Rome, located in the Novosibirsk region. According to scientists' estimates, it could have housed 800-1000 people, dating back to the 8th century BC.

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Nowizard

3/22/2007 7:52 PM UTC

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Is it okay if I ask a question about Japanese history (there's something that's quite interesting to me)? Alex, aren't you specializing in Asia?

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AlexeyPank

3/22/2007 8:16 PM UTC

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Including Asia. I will try to answer the question you are interested in.

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Nowizard

3/22/2007 8:39 PM UTC

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I definitely know, or at least have a general idea, what samurai are. The word "samurai" comes from the Japanese "samurai" or "samurau" - "to serve." They are something like knights, but their honor is demonstrated through actions, not just words. However, ninjas have always raised some questions for me. I know that they are special warriors who are practically impossible to defeat (you have to find them first), and they are trained in the art of combat and survival from a very young age, but who are they in essence, and how do they differ from shinobi?

And, by the way, who are ronin?

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AlexeyPank

3/22/2007 8:54 PM UTC

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Generally speaking, ninjas, or ninjutsu practitioners, were impoverished samurai. They had nothing but the ability to kill and fight. However, they were usually used as scouts due to their ability to observe silently. Later on, people began buying children from peasant families and training them in this craft.
And a shinobi is a person engaged in espionage, but is not a ninja himself.

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Алисия

3/23/2007 3:54 PM UTC

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Nowizard;77566

After all, true history and a historical chronicle are different things. In principle, it's possible, but please keep in mind that everything said is based on textbooks and chronicles, which may not necessarily be true.

I completely agree; it's even more accurate to say that it's not necessarily possible to find even a small piece of truth in some documents. But the topic promises to be interesting to many.
"Regarding the Veles Book, I would argue. The material is too dubious."
And that's true. The materials that are widely known somehow contradict what was actually written there. I'm not a historian, so my view may be superficial.

Ganymed

3/23/2007 6:06 PM UTC

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I basically agree. “Don’t believe what is written” – this saying didn’t appear out of nowhere:))

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Леля

3/24/2007 11:47 AM UTC

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That's good. :) I have a question: is it true that Timur always took 300 cats with him on all his campaigns and never parted with them? And another one: why did he take 300 cats with him? :)

AlexeyPank

3/24/2007 7:27 PM UTC

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From everything I've read about the history of the Mongols (and I've read a lot on this topic), I can say that there is nothing mentioned about cats. Perhaps the authors simply didn't pay attention to this, or perhaps there weren't any. There is indirect evidence that suggests there were no cats:
1 - Cats need to be fed, and campaigns often lasted for more than a month. Taking so much food for cats would not be in Temujin's spirit.
2 - Cats are free animals. It would be problematic to keep track of them.
3 - Cats are neither sacred animals of the Mongols nor totemic animals of Temujin.
However, as I already said, I simply haven't read anything about cats. Could you tell me where you got this information?

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Пандора

3/24/2007 7:36 PM UTC

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As a future historian, I support Alexey. Regarding the interpretation of different chronicles and textbooks... Hmm, yes, you can find that. Many of them are not without the ideology of their time (even "The Tale of Bygone Years")... But thankfully, science has provided a lot of verified facts, and we should base our arguments on those. There are actually quite a few of them.

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Леля

3/25/2007 6:56 AM UTC

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AlexeyPank;77921

From everything I've read about the history of the Mongols (and I've read a lot on this topic), I can say that there is nothing mentioned about cats. Perhaps the authors simply didn't pay attention to it, or maybe they weren't there. There is indirect evidence that suggests there were no cats:
1 - Cats need to be fed, and campaigns often lasted for more than a month. Taking so much food for cats wouldn't be in Temujin's spirit.
2 - Cats are free animals. It would be problematic to keep track of them.
3 - Cats are neither sacred animals of the Mongols nor totem animals of Temujin.
Although, as I said, I simply haven't read anything about cats. Can you tell me where you got this information?

That makes sense. :) One historian told me this, and I didn't believe it, so I decided to ask here. :) As he himself said, "We have the right, and perhaps even the duty, to doubt."