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Announcement

злой_романтик

12 years ago

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The time has come and so... drumroll... the qualifying tournament for FB-8 is declared open :smile44:

I. Regulations and Deadlines

The qualifying tournament will be held using the "Swiss" system

Start of the tournament: April 1, 2014; registration until March 29, 2014 inclusive

Time limit per round: 2 weeks - technical losses will be assigned without regard to opinions or authority (the sole exception is CIS-14 in Minsk)
Players have the right to arrange a convenient time among themselves, but if an agreement cannot be reached, the critical time for playing is the night from Saturday to Sunday of the first week. (if the game was not completed in one session, then during the second week). In case one player fails to show up at the set time, the other must write to the organizer or one of the judges, and when the tech result is assigned, this will be the main argument.
This clause is not subject to discussion.

7 players advance to the final stage.

II. Rules and Templates.

1. By default, games are played according to /topic/10593/
2. By default, the game version is SoD 3.2 (4.0); by mutual agreement, WT or any other version of HOMM3.

3.The template for each round will be determined as follows - during registration, each participant must indicate 5 favorite templates; from all these templates, 9 will be selected (depending on the number of participants and the number of rounds, respectively). Then the selected templates are randomly "shuffled" and a list is compiled (e.g., 1-2sm4d3, 2-mininoszta, 3-Jebus Cross, 4-skirmish, etc.). In the 1st round, players ban templates that "came up" under numbers 1, 2, 3 (i.e., banning occurs from 2sm4d3, mininoszta, and Jebus Cross). In the next round, banning occurs from templates 2, 3, 4 (mininoszta, Jebus Cross, skirmish), etc. In the last 7th (9th) round, banning will occur from templates 7 (9), 1, 2. Red starts the ban

4. Town selection: standard ban. Blue starts the ban. Colors are determined during the draw and do not change with restarts.

A win awards 1 point, a draw 0.5, a loss 0.
The winners, and accordingly those who qualify for FB, will be 7 people.
The winner is determined by the total number of points scored. In case of a tie in points, additional tiebreakers apply.
1) Buchholz Coefficient
2) Head-to-head result

III. Organizational Matters
1. The tournament is official and regular.
2. The tournament is conducted according to the Rules for Organizing, Conducting, and Participating in Tournaments.
3. Tournament Host: zloi_romantic (296524052)
Tournament Judges: Pit for LM (471401475), Dirty_Player (ICQ 408722873).
4. For each game played, participants must submit a report and confirmation.
5. Saves of all games must be kept until the end of the tournament and presented at the first request of the tournament hosts or any AC member.
6. Regarding controversial issues, if any arise, please discuss them outside the forum. To resolve them, contact the host or a tournament judge via ICQ and provide daily saves, ICQ logs, and other necessary information.
The judges' decision is made primarily based on the tournament rules. If the situation that arises is not regulated by the rules, then the judges will be guided by basic logic and gaming ethics.
7. All tournament games count towards the season rating. Reports and confirmations are written in this thread and will be copied to the "Game Reports and Confirmations Online" thread. I.e., there is NO need to duplicate reports in the seasonal thread.
8. The final part of the tournament will be held using a round-robin system.

IV. Participants
1. Experienced players from HW and other gaming resources are invited to the tournament.
2. Newcomers who have shown good results are allowed (applications will be considered on an individual basis).
3. Newly registered players are not allowed to participate in the tournament (exception: active players from other gaming resources; applications will be considered on an individual basis).
4. Players who have a BWP are not eligible to participate in the tournament. If any player is awarded a BWP during the tournament, they will be disqualified and their results annulled.
5. Applications from undisciplined players who have repeatedly "ditched" tournaments may be rejected.
6. The organizers reserve the right to refuse a user participation in the tournament without publicly explaining the reasons.
7. The Winner and 2nd-3rd place finishers of the FB-7 tournament are NOT allowed to participate in the qualifiers.
8. The tournament application must include:
- 5 most favorite templates
- convenient time for playing
9. Players Gomunguls, Aya, Maretti advance to FB-8 without a qualifier, while players Piterius and LeBron have a bonus of a byeslot for 1 round (if, of course, they wish to participate)

The randomizer arranged the templates as follows
1-2sm4d3
2-Spider
3-skirmish (played according to OFB rules, i.e., with a town ban and no color change, but by mutual agreement you can play according to seasonal rules, i.e., allrandom)
4-6lm10a
5-JC
6-8mm6a
7-anarchy
8-diamond
9-Mini nostalgia

Thus, in the 1st round Red starts the ban from templates - 2sm4d3, Spider, skirmish
In the 2nd round, the ban proceeds from templates Spider, skirmish, 6lm10a
In all rounds, Red starts the template ban

I repeat for everyone - if you have a problem with your opponent (cannot find a common time, being ignored, etc.), write to me on ICQ - we will sort it out
Draw

In reply to Redwhait

злой_романтик

11 years ago

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Redwhait HP

I would like to clarify the timeline for the end of the current match and the start of FB8.

In about 2-3 hours, there will be a post with the AK's decision and the final results.

296524052
Весна 2012.

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злой_романтик

11 years ago

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So, as promised, let's proceed with summarizing the results: in the Rebellius-Kobra match, the AK decided to declare a "conditional" draw. Therefore, at the moment, we have the following situation: Gomunguls, Aya, Marett have secured their places in the Final Battle as the winner and runners-up of the previous tournament. Kilgor, Stinger, BISHOP, Redwhait HP, Heroin_HP scored 7 or more points and also guaranteed their participation. The situation is more complicated for the remaining two spots – 4 players with 6.5 points are competing for them: bubuch, HellLigh, KobRa_RR, and rebellious, BUT...
The AK discussed it and decided to let ALL 4 of them into the Final Battle:smile13:. However, the latecomers (or those who showed up late:D), Kobra and Rebellius, will still have to finish their match, and the result will be counted towards the Final Battle.:)
Thus, the following players were supposed to participate in the Final Battle-8:
Gomunguls, Aya, Marett, Kilgor, Stinger, BISHOP, Redwhait HP, Heroin_HP, bubuch, HellLigh, KobRa_RR, and rebellious, totaling 12 people, BUT...
Our champion, Vitaly Gomunguls, cannot participate in this Final Battle for personal reasons. Therefore, the number of participants has become odd – 11 people, which, in my opinion, is not right. As the organizer of the OFB and FB, I will use my right to a "wild card," which will be given to a player who has shown worthy results in this or other tournaments but, for some reason, did not make it into the Final Battle roster. The name of this player will be announced later, when the Final Battle regulations are announced, i.e., in about a week.
The final results and ranking will be announced by Dirty later.
Well, congratulations to the winners, and thank you to everyone else for participating. I hope to see you in the next OFB:smile20:

296524052
Весна 2012.

In reply to злой_романтик

Dirty_Player

11 years ago

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Well, all that's left for me to do is congratulate the winners and summarize the results:

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rebellious

11 years ago

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I am addressing the players because the judges have started making one paradoxical decision after another. The OFB-8 tournament was coming to an end. It's time to summarize the results since the tournament time has expired, and matches that were not finished need to be decided based on saved games. In the last round, I had a game against Kobra; we played every day from August 12th to 17th and saved the game at 3 AM Kyiv time on the 217th turn. Naturally, the save went for adjudication. As far as I know, the decision then was a draw. (For reference, what was the vote count, considering there were votes in favor of my victory?). And this means that Kobra and Butch are eliminated (based on the worst Buchholz score). Ideally, the issue should be closed. But nevertheless, the following was announced on the forum:

the match must be replayed, with a deadline until August 25th inclusive. If the opponents cannot find a mutually acceptable time to replay, then the MANDATORY time will be – the night of August 22nd to 23rd, 9 PM Moscow time (with a 1-hour wait). If a player does not appear at the specified time, they will be given a technical loss. The match must continue "to the end" or be postponed by MUTUAL agreement.

This is a very unclear, illogical, inconsistent decision that contradicts all previously made DRAW adjudications in other matches.
08/19/2014 HellLighT (Blue, Rampart, Kayri, Kayri) drew bubuch (Red, Castle, Valeska, Clavius) Spider 221
/topic/at/757019/
05/06/2014 Dima Surmay (Red, Castle, Valeska, Tazar) drew Tofsla (Blue, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) Jebus Cross 132
07/07/2014 Huanito (Red, Tower, Solmyr, Korback) drew Player_ (Blue, Fortress, Tazar, Tazar) 8mm6a 221
Yegor Korobeynikov vs Dark30

Diamond has turn 131. Game on save.
The game was declared a draw in the army vs control situation.

We continued the game with Kobra. We finished it to turn 242. Saved the game. No one can win. (It took 23 hours of actual time; this is worth noting). The save goes for adjudication again. Suddenly, it turns out that one participant will leave FB. This means someone needs to replace them. And a completely contradictory decision is announced: HellLighT - bubuch – draw, rebellious - Kobra – conditional draw. And all of them pass through (at the expense of expanding FB. But why not reducing?).
Questions immediately arose.
What is this neologism "conditional draw"? Is it like some are more drawn than others, and what does the regulations say about such a result? (How can new, unclear, non-game criteria be introduced when summarizing results, especially something arbitrary?).
Why weren't the other pair forced to replay?
Why wasn't a conditional draw awarded to the other pair? (then there would be conditional draws in both pairs, and you could compare Buchholz scores since they are in equal conditions, and then someone would "fail"). But as it stands, the pairs have different draws, and they cannot be brought to a common denominator (a great mess).
Why were decisions on awarding draws made without problems in other games?
Inventing rules to adjust results at the finish line is unethical and unsportsmanlike. Why is a decision being made after the tournament ends to restructure it (even if not the rules)?
And ultimately, a unique unprecedented decision was made. Simply put, mediocrity triumphs.
Kobra and Rebellious will still have to finish their match, and its result will count towards FB.
Where is compliance with the clause

If the situation that arises is not regulated by the rules, then the judges are guided by elementary logic and game ethics.

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Well, if we expand FB, arguing about equal points, then such a replay is similar to a penalty shootout or an interrupted qualifying match (like Poland-England), i.e., instead of finishing the match, send the teams to the World Cup.
Why wasn't this done for another pair (HellLighT - bubuch) with a drawn result?
What makes sense in replaying one tournament game and counting its result in another? Let's do this in all tournaments. "Let my game in the season be counted as a game in Jebus." Surely you realize that any tournament must be completed without any conditions. If, during the verification of saves, it turns out that someone violated the rules, how will you decide, gentlemen judges!? Because this will mean that the tournament bracket of one tournament will be redrawn, which automatically redraws the bracket of another! Players will waste a lot of time on useless games. And frankly, how can tournaments be played when the judges make illogical and ill-considered decisions?
In addition, after the second replay of the save, Kobra's chances of a draw have increased. This means that we start under unequal conditions when one already has half a point. And I cannot earn a point. And somehow, even in this situation, they favor the other side.
That is why I am addressing the players because many may not be aware of the current situation, and therefore order needs to be restored in judging ourselves.
The OFB-8 tournament cannot be considered complete until all match results are approved, definitively, without any conditional results. Accordingly, the FB tournament cannot begin. At the same time (for the future), an open system of judicial decisions is needed since our authoritative judges are far from impartial, and in some ways, even incompetent (for example, the suggestion that players choose their own judge for a match from among those players whom they trust).

Summer 2013

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Dirty_Player

11 years ago

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YaR

10 characters

Report acknowledged. Artem cannot confirm for some technical reason.

Valenok (22:22):
hi
can't confirm the report
Valenok (22:23):
trying to send 10 characters, nothing happens
it doesn't go through

UPD: Figured it out)

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rebellious

(for example, the suggestion that players choose a referee for a match from among the players they trust).

Or maybe players will choose the gaming site themselves, the administration of which they trust? How about that suggestion?

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zoog

11 years ago

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What if players could choose the gaming website they trust themselves? How does that sound as a suggestion?

Are you envious of Gates and Jobs? Sorry, but this website exists for the players, not the other way around.

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Dirty_Player

11 years ago

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zoog

Are you envious of Gates and Jobs' success? Sorry, but this site exists for the players, not the other way around.

You should apologize too, but we didn't sign up to cater to everyone and fulfill the whims of certain individuals.

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zoog

11 years ago

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Trying to accommodate everyone is an extreme case. Disagreements are resolved one way or another, or sometimes, through a collective decision, users are banned – that’s reasonable. But with you, it seems like those Eastern merchants who say, “Did I overcharge you? Get out of here, I don’t need a customer like you.”
Okay, let’s not talk about this anymore; I just think that without this, the atmosphere will be a little more user-friendly.

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rebellious

11 years ago

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Dirty_Player

What if players could choose their own gaming website, one whose administration they trust? How does that sound as a suggestion?

Instead of answering a simple question-suggestion, two questions are posed. Even Jews use fewer resources in this regard (which somehow contradicts the loyalty shown on the site towards anti-Semitism). The suggestion could be rejected, discussed, the question could be moved to another topic, or deleted, but the administration is taking a course of showing intolerance and disrespect towards users. Instead of arguments, the suggestion is to shut up or go to another site. It smells like mothballs.

Summer 2013

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rebellious

11 years ago

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Dirty_Player

You should apologize too, but we didn't sign up to cater to everyone and fulfill the whims of certain individuals.

The tournament regulations were blatantly violated, and not even during the tournament itself, but after it was over. There was a clear manipulation of statistics and figures.

Summer 2013

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Vatya

11 years ago

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Dirty_Player

You should apologize too, but we didn't sign up to cater to everyone and fulfill the whims of certain individuals.

Regardless of how much your opinion and work deserve respect, everything here is on a voluntary basis, and the question of who was hired for what purpose should not even arise.

Ася 390383586

Осень-Зима 2013-14.

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Roger DAltavilla

11 years ago

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When evaluating the save from the rebellious vs. KobRa RR match, the judges' opinions were divided, and there was no consensus. It was clear that the situation was ambiguous, and the game was heading towards three possible outcomes. Some favored the blue team, others the red team, some suggested a draw, and others proposed a mutual technical defeat. Since there was no time for a replay, it was decided to allow both players to advance to the final bracket, and the match would be completed as part of this competition.

Воздам сторицей!

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Dima Surmay

11 years ago

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not all claims from Rebellius were accepted, but the fact that one pair had their playtime extended... that also surprised me.

and you shouldn't have copied this:
05/06/2014 Dima Surmay (Red, Castle, Valeska, Tazar) draw Tofsla (Blue, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) Jebus Cross 132

this is just an incorrect report, and it has been annulled, with the correct one following immediately after.

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Roger DAltavilla

11 years ago

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In the HellLighT vs. bubuch match, the save files were reviewed by players because they believed there was a violation of the rule against rush strategies. After analyzing the situation, it was determined that the rule was not violated. However, since the save files had already been reviewed, it was impossible to continue the game. When evaluating the save file, all the judges agreed on a draw.

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злой_романтик

11 years ago

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Okay, I'll answer.
Regarding Rebellius's statement that "In the last round, I played against Cobra, from August 12th to 17th every day" – all the saves on the 12th and 13th were initiated by you, on the 14th you didn't play, and on the 15th, the save was also initiated by you. Then you decided to pressure others, because Cobra immediately told you that he couldn't play on the weekend, but you decided to act differently. After learning that the ODD (One Day Delay) was on Saturday, you started insisting on playing PRECISELY ON SATURDAY. Cobra again went along with it and played from his dacha (again, the save was at your request). Then you refused to play and said, "Let them decide," meaning you tried your best to avoid finishing this match.
Furthermore, an ODD was scheduled for you, and Pete monitored the game. According to him, each of your turns took significantly longer than Cobra's. Then, again, a save was made at your request.
The match was very ambiguous. Initially, it was heading towards three possible outcomes; after the last save, it was down to two (your victory was not considered – either Cobra wins or it's a draw). However, giving you more time to finish the match would have been excessive, so that decision was made.

296524052
Весна 2012.