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Pit for LM

3/7/2014 11:29 PM UTC

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The most up-to-date information about the tournament can be found at the top of each page. To create a report, click the New Report button, which is located at the top of each topic page, and enter all the required fields according to the template. After that, you need to write your comments about the game in detail. To confirm the report, the second player needs to find the report for the game: the list is located at the beginning of the topic, the link to the report is hidden in the opponent's nickname, click the Confirm Report button, and also write a detailed report.

In reply to Dima Surmay

Dirty_Player

6/12/2014 3:08 AM UTC

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Dima Surmay

It seems like they have a non-standard situation there, considering you were hiding the truth.

The situation there is more than standard. In reality, there is no secret. nodtin withdrew because he is leaving for the summer, which he told me in ICQ. But I agree with R55Max that the organizer is not obliged to report to any of the participants about every decision made at the first request, especially if it does not concern them. Moreover, the rules state:

- The organizers have the right to make any changes to the regulations and rules during the tournament.
- The organizers have the right to refuse participation to any player without publicly explaining the reasons.

In reply to R55Max

KobRa_RR

6/12/2014 3:27 AM UTC

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We picked all the rest, and a corridor was generated with a block of Champions or Archmages on the road to the right, and a ГО to the left. I had to run around and farm money at the bottom; the first Dragon Fly Hive (4) fell only on day 1,2,5. Another one followed with 6 Wyverns, for a total of 10! :D Next, the scout hero Adelaide takes a Pandora's Box with 10k experience, where she gets Earth Magic and Pathfinding, so I build GM1 in the ramp on day 1,1,6. Gundula has Air Magic, Kyrre has nothing) Week build order: 1,3,4,5,6 with nothing and one taken external dwelling of units (though both uniques were lost in battles :cool: ) On day 1,2,1 I upgrade the unicorns, and finally hit the first block. Next, I hit the Archmages (40) for Cloak +2, painful... On day 1,2,2 I hit the ГО (lucky, Naga), take Inferno, and run further with 7 Champions, 9 Wyverns, and 14 Grand Elves. Adelaide gets Offense, stats 6 11 6 4 )) I'm looking for someone to attack; 90 minotaurs under Haste suit us perfectly, I free Crelion from prison at level 20 — Wyvern is already 13)) The opponent has been running around the ГО for several turns — strange.... Next, on day 1,2,4 I take the central town — Tower, build a lookout, and see that Tazar is standing at the ГО, but I don't really have anyone to attack with. I fight with Adelaide in Inferno, preparing to take +2 and +4 all stats with Grand Elves. On day 1,2,5 the opponent hits the ГО, reveals my Tower, but doesn't go there (reveals Fly). On my turn I understand why — the army there is even "cooler" than mine)))
I eliminate all of Yura's scout heroes; on my turn, due to non-gameplay moments, he writes GG.
Thanks for the game!
PS. The forum crashed 2 times, as if on purpose, when I logged in to write reports :D
PPS. 2 Злой: now I'll be from 16.06

KobRa_RR

Faction Оплот / Rampart

Start Hero Кайри / Kyrre

Main Hero Аделаида / Adelaide

Победа / Def

u2noob

Faction Крепость / Fortress

Start Hero Тазар / Tazar

Main Hero Тазар / Tazar

Map Template: Jebus Cross
Game Length: 125 days
Game Date: 5/31/2014
Reported: 6/12/2014 3:27 AM

KobRa_RR 1683 → 1693 +10 ↑

u2noob 1565 → 1555 -10 ↓

Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 6/29/2014 6:19 AM

In reply to Dirty_Player

Dima Surmay

6/12/2014 5:16 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

The situation there is more than standard. In fact, there is no secret. nodtin withdrew because he is leaving somewhere for the summer, which he told me in ICQ. But I agree with R55Max that the organizer is not obliged to report to any of the participants about every decision made at the first request, especially if it does not concern them. Moreover, the rules state:

Neither of these points applies to this situation. And to consider a simple question about why one is accepted and not the other as a demand for the organizer to report and to think that his dignity has been hurt... that's a bit of an overreaction, I think it's better to be more straightforward.

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Dirty_Player

6/12/2014 8:05 AM UTC

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Dima Surmay

Neither of these points is relevant to the situation. And to interpret a simple question about why one participant is accepted and another is not as a demand for the host to justify their decisions, and to claim that their dignity has been offended... that seems like an overreaction, I think it's better to be more straightforward.

They may not be relevant to the situation, but they show that the organizer is not obliged to explain their decisions to those who have nothing to do with it.

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Dark

6/12/2014 9:20 AM UTC

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Dima Surmay

Neither of these points has anything to do with this situation. And to consider a simple question about why one player was allowed to continue while the other wasn't as a demand for the host to explain himself, and to think that his dignity has been offended... that seems like an overreaction, I think it's better to be more straightforward.

I completely agree. What if my next opponent is one of these two, and I want to know why one was removed and the other wasn't, not because I want to bother anyone, but because I'm a participant in the tournament and I'm genuinely interested in why there's an explanation for 4 out of 5 pairs, but not for one?! Isn't that normal?!

лето 2012.

In reply to KobRa_RR

злой_романтик

6/12/2014 10:16 AM UTC

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KobRa_RR

P.S. 2 Evil: I'll be available starting June 16th.

Well, then, you probably won – I doubt I'll be able to play until July 1st or 2nd; today was my last free day :(
2 Darkello & Dima Surmay – why are you bothering the organizer? He made a decision and announced the result. If the players are unhappy with it, they can dispute it; THEY can, not YOU. Should you also be required to submit save files so that the judge can assess the arguments for making one decision or another? In this case, the organizer takes responsibility, and only the two players in the match, the judge, or the AC can question him.
Try organizing your own tournament sometime and see how much work it involves. Sometimes, the organizer's ICQ gets overloaded with the number of questions and problems.

296524052
Весна 2012.

In reply to злой_романтик

Dark

6/12/2014 3:04 PM UTC

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evil_romantic

Well, then, you probably won – I’m unlikely to be able to play until July 1-2, today was my last free day :(
2 Darkello & Dima Surmay – why are you harassing the organizer? He made a decision and announced the result; if the players are unhappy with it, they can challenge it, THEY can, not YOU. Should you also be required to submit save files so that people can assess the arguments the judge used to make a particular decision? In this case, the organizer takes responsibility, and only the two players involved, the judge, or the administration can hold him accountable.
Try organizing your own Tournaments sometime, and you’ll see how much work it involves. Sometimes, the chat window gets overloaded with questions and problems.

Evil, I’m sorry, but what are you talking about? I’m a participant in the tournament. Let’s say my next opponent is the winner of this match, as I said above. I’m interested in the reason for the win over the previous opponent. What are the reports for, if not to help people learn, see the strategy, and look for weaknesses? And in this case, you should be prepared for what happened to the previous opponent. And ultimately, are we asking for something extraordinary?:cool:

P.S.
And you don’t need to tell me about Tournaments. I may not have organized them online in Heroes, but I have over 100 offline tournaments under my belt. I’m not arguing that it’s not a thankless and unpleasant job, but in my opinion, I didn’t say anything wrong, and I’m not criticizing the organizer. I was just genuinely interested in why one player won and not the other:smile02:

лето 2012.

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злой_романтик

6/12/2014 3:22 PM UTC

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darkello

Evil, I'm sorry, but what you're saying doesn't make sense. I'm a participant in the tournament, and let's say my next opponent is the winner of this match, as I mentioned earlier. I'm interested in the reason for the win over the previous opponent. What are these reports for? So that people can learn, watch the strategy, look for weaknesses, and here too, you should be prepared for what happened to the previous opponent. And in the end, are we asking for something extraordinary?:cool:

That's why I see a bunch of reports - "thank you for the game" and that's it... Why don't you ask Bishop for detailed reports? What if you end up playing against him, you need to know how he plays, his weaknesses? Because, Vasya will tell you to go away. And regarding the interest - just message the players on ICQ - I think they'll tell you... if they want to.
Organizing 100 offline tournaments - yes, you're mega cool, I think no one else has even 20 on their account... then yes, then of course... Max, answer your dad urgently.

296524052
Весна 2012.

In reply to злой_романтик

Dark

6/12/2014 3:25 PM UTC

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zloy_romantik

That's why I see a bunch of reports saying "thank you for the game" and that's it... Why don't you demand detailed reports from Bishop as well? What if you end up playing against him, you need to know how he plays, his weaknesses? But because, Vasya will tell you to go away. Yes, you should organize a tournament, feel what it's like to be an organizer, and then demand something.

You probably don't even understand what you're talking about! After the round, 5 applications were reviewed, 4 had explanations, and one didn't. Are they special? What's unclear? As a participant, I believe I have every right to have complete information about the tournament, at least the most basic. The fact that Bishop doesn't post complete reports doesn't affect the analysis of who he played, what the deadlines were, what the maps were?!

лето 2012.

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злой_романтик

6/12/2014 3:28 PM UTC

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darkello

You probably don't even understand what you're talking about! The round has passed, 5 applications were reviewed, 4 had explanations, and one didn't. Are they special? What's unclear? As a participant, I believe I have every right to have complete information about the tournament, even the smallest details. The fact that Bishop doesn't post full reports doesn't affect the analysis of who he played against, what the time limits were, and what maps were used!

Well, what can we do... we're just poor and miserable... :(

296524052
Весна 2012.

In reply to злой_романтик

Dark

6/12/2014 3:30 PM UTC

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evil_romantic

Where can we go... we are orphans and destitute...:(

finally realized it :smile01: :D

лето 2012.

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злой_романтик

6/12/2014 3:31 PM UTC

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darkello

Finally realized it:smile01: :D

Oh, you'll end up regretting it...:D

296524052
Весна 2012.

In reply to KobRa_RR

Dirty_Player

6/12/2014 3:32 PM UTC

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KobRa_RR

05/31/2014 KobRa_RR (Blue, Rampart, Kairie, Adelaide) def u2noob (Red, Fortress, Tazar, Tazar) Jebus Cross 125

Roma, maybe you should take a look at the save file for this game? It's interesting to see how KobRa won. Maybe he broke the rules? :D You're playing against the winner of this match, so it shouldn't matter to you. :D

In reply to злой_романтик

Dark

6/12/2014 3:32 PM UTC

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evil_romantic

Oh, you'll say anything... :D

Sarcasm meets sarcasm, you might as well appeal to the admins :D, Aaaah!! You forgot, you were banned from there yourself!!! :D

лето 2012.

In reply to Dark

злой_романтик

6/12/2014 3:37 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

Roma, maybe we should consider looking at the save files for this game? It's interesting to see how Cobra won. What if he broke the rules? :D You're playing against the winner of this match, so it shouldn't matter to you. :D

We have Dark for this kind of situation, we should send him the save files, what if he ends up playing against Cobra later? :D Maybe not in this tournament, maybe not this year, but what if? ;)

darkello