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West, this is the knightly code. And I don't care which religion I prefer, Zen Buddhism, because it has no gods. Harmony, Nature, and the Elements reign there.

West, this is the knightly code.
And I don't care which religion I prefer, Zen Buddhism, because it has no gods. Harmony, Nature, and the Elements reign there.

Which created themselves?:)

I don't know the details, as it's a very rare religion. But I think it started with some kind of primordial substance... you can search for it online.

Interesting discussions on an interesting topic. Imagine the gods sitting and reading all this. They're probably having a great time.
Of course, I respect Christians and Christianity, but I strongly disagree with them on most issues.
And until I personally hear from God that he requires faith and a certain lifestyle from me, I will live as I see fit.
Regarding the Old Testament. It is incorrect to include it in the Christian Bible at all. It is specifically an ancient Hebrew text, written by Jews for Jews. It has as much relation to the New Testament as the current Japanese emperor has to Amaterasu. Christians took the Old Testament only to give their faith a sense of antiquity.

Nowizard, thanks for explaining to a simpleton with a higher education in history who brought Christianity to Russia. Regarding the Jews – these are not my ideas, but those of my pagan friend. He gave me a book to read called "The Strike of the Russian Gods"... Every zealous Christian should burn this book together with its author whenever possible, because it claims that Christianity is a devilish religion created to destroy the Russians. It's utter nonsense. And science can explain everything. It doesn't stand still. Once upon a time, almost all natural phenomena were considered to be the will of God. And a medieval person also believed that it was impossible to explain them logically. The same is true now... In a hundred or two hundred years, they will certainly unravel many of

Science is science, but God exists. And gods exist. There are many beings. You can believe in gods or not, they don't care. They are busy with their own affairs, people with theirs, demons with theirs. The Hindus understood this better than anyone else and earlier than anyone else. The world is held together by the fact that everyone is busy with their own affairs.

Without people, there is no faith. Without faith, there are no gods. If the gods become angry with people and kill everyone, then there will be no faith, no gods... The gods are wise; they won't kill themselves.... So, Armageddon and the universal flood are not true?! :eek: :eek: :eek: :smile51:

All of this is a projection of human ideas onto gods. People think that if they don't worship a god, it will punish them. And if everyone doesn't worship, the end of the world will come.
And a writer, if his work doesn't praise the creator, throws the manuscript into the fire :).
The end of the world will not come. And the gods will not come to our world, just as people will not come to the world of the gods. And only the chosen ones (and it cannot be said that they themselves really want this) can communicate with the inhabitants of the world of gods and the world of demons.

Nowizard, thanks for explaining to a simpleton with a higher education in history who brought Christianity to Rus'.

Regarding the Jews – these are not my ideas, but those of my pagan friend. He gave me a book to read called "The Blow of the Russian Gods"... Every zealous Christian should burn this book, along with its author, whenever possible, because it claims that Christianity is a diabolical religion created to destroy the Russians. It's utter nonsense.

And science can explain everything. It doesn't stand still. Once, almost all natural phenomena were considered to be the will of God. And a medieval person also believed that it was impossible to explain them logically. It's the same now... In a hundred or two hundred years, they will surely unravel many of today's "divine" phenomena. Including UFOs, although this is not a divine phenomenon at all :)

Since you were too lazy to read the link, here it is:)

Everything that has been proven by science is recognized by scientists around the world, regardless of their nationality, social status, or political views. For example, various physical laws, mathematical formulas, and astronomical phenomena have been proven by science, and no matter what book we open or in what country, we will always find confirmations of all the truths proven by science.

But is it really the same with the non-existence of God? Quite the contrary: the vast majority of scientists recognize the existence of God. All attempts to explain this fact by "social origin" and "bourgeois ideology" are ridiculous and pathetic, because the facts proven by science, such as the laws of Archimedes, Pascal, or the law of universal gravitation, have always been recognized by all scientists, regardless of their origin and ideology. In addition, the very formulation of the statement is absurd: science (usually this term refers to the exact sciences) simply cannot prove what is not within its field of research. Therefore, any talk about the non-existence of God being proven by science is absurd.

For example, how could physics, which studies only the visible world accessible to the senses, establish that there is no other world beyond it, inaccessible to human sensations? The same can be said about chemistry, biology, botany, etc. How can mathematics, which deals with numbers, establish that there are no other categories that cannot be expressed and fully investigated with the help of numbers? This would be the same as if researchers of seawater, who have not reached the bottom in their research, began to claim that there is no bottom in the sea.

From all this, it is clear: the assertions of anti-religious propaganda that God does not exist and this has been proven by science are not only incorrect but fundamentally false.

Alexey, why would gods create the world if they didn't care about it?:)

Science hasn't proven many things yet. And talking about gods using scientific categories is the same as arguing about music using the concepts of chemistry. But it's interesting to consider: what is the purpose of the gods, what is the purpose of humans, and what is the purpose of demons? Three worlds, three perspectives, three paths. Here, the gods are sitting and talking: "Do you believe in humans? No, they haven't been established by science. And what's happening on Earth is the work of angels from the propaganda department!"

Science hasn't proven many things yet. And talking about gods using scientific categories is the same as arguing about music using chemical concepts.
But it's interesting, what is the purpose of the gods, what is the purpose of people, and what is the purpose of demons? Three worlds, three perspectives, three paths. So, the gods are sitting and talking: "Do you believe in humans? No, they haven't been established by science. And what's happening on Earth is the work of angels from the propaganda department!"

Alexey, didn't you say that you can't anthropomorphize gods? They don't have human feelings. They just sit there. And now, the angels are looking at the modern world and thinking:
- I wonder, can humans truly love? They're probably thinking about something else besides their own interests and benefits!
- Why are you attributing angelic traits to humans? I think "angelizing" humans is wrong.:p

Did I say anywhere that God doesn't exist and that science has proven it? I just said that science still has a lot of work to do. There are many things that have not yet been studied and are considered a "miracle."

Yes, that's true; the music inspired it. In general, I've recently drastically changed my attitude towards gods. Now I simply don't have any attitude towards them, as I have no idea how to do that. And there are also demiurges, forces that create specific manifestations of the supernatural.
Perhaps God is a force that moves continents. Or perhaps God is a butterfly on a flower. It's better not to guess.

Did I say anywhere that God does not exist and that this has been proven by science? I simply said that science still has a lot of work to do. Many things are still unexplored and are considered "miracles".

"Religion tells us of various miracles. Science, however, has proven that there are no miracles and there cannot be any, as this would be a violation of the laws of nature".

Narratives of miracles treat miracles precisely as exceptions to the general rule, as rare phenomena that deviate from the ordinary order of things based on the laws of nature.

The question of the possibility of miracles depends on another related question: the existence of God, the Creator and Providence, the Lord of the entire world. If we do not believe in the existence of God, then, of course, we must admit that miracles are impossible. For who could then interfere in the actions of a blind force supposedly governed by eternal laws? Who could force this force to deviate from an order established once and for all? If, however, we believe in the existence of God (as many scientists did), then we also believe in the possibility that He, as the Almighty Lord of nature and the Creator of its laws, is free to halt their action in cases where it is necessary for the benefit of man or for the enlightenment and edification of unbelievers.

Exact sciences have never proven and cannot prove the impossibility of miracles, as they study the rules and laws of nature, not the exceptions to them. Just as exceptions found in philology do not contradict grammar and the rules of language, but are additions to them, so too miracles do not refute the laws of nature, but exist alongside them.

If the car of some dignitary has the right to pass where others are forbidden, if the railway allows a special train for someone, this in no way cancels the established rules of street traffic or the train schedule.

To reject the possibility of miracles, one must first prove the fictitiousness or falsity of all miracles for which there is numerous testimony. Only a person completely unfamiliar with the inviolability of these testimonies can assume deception or autosuggestion in all these cases. There have been many instances where unbelievers, witnesses to miracles, after confirming through thorough investigation that no natural explanation could be given for what happened, became believers and maintained their faith until the end of their days.

The most vivid and well-known fact proving the authenticity of miracles are the healings in Lourdes, France. A permanent medical commission operates there, consisting of specialist doctors, among whom are both believers and non-believers. They have every opportunity to scientifically investigate all the healings that occur and explain them at their discretion. If a sudden recovery of a patient can be given some natural explanation or if doubt arises as to the reality of the healing, then such a fact is not registered as miraculous. If, however, all the doctors agree that they cannot give any natural explanation for the healing that took place and that there is no doubt about its reality, then such a case of healing is registered as a miracle.

A great number of such miracles have been registered in Lourdes! Among them, cases of rapid and complete healing of body organs affected by severe disease are particularly striking. Here, of course, there can be no question of autosuggestion or the effect of nervous shock on the organism. Those who do not accept miracles, instead of the groundless denial of facts, would do better to familiarize themselves with the documentation of these facts, confirmed by impartial doctors, and only after that consider whether it is reasonable to believe that the possibility of miracles has been refuted by scientific research.

Of course, not everything people take for a miracle is actually one. Mistakes often happen, and narratives of miracles are quite often legendary. Therefore, the Church treats reports of miracles with great caution. Thus, narratives of miracles do not place religion in contradiction with science at all, for true, free science has never rejected the possibility of miracles.

Alexey, you have a sound position. I respect that. I am more inclined to agree with you than with atheism. Because only children can believe in a bearded old man in the sky with a bunch of angels.

Nowizard, what if these miracles are a manifestation of the actions of an alien intelligence? :D Personally, I have seen UFOs many times and can confidently say that I believe in them!