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and these people are striving for power? by attacking with a couple of thousand against a dozen police officers, defacing walls, smashing windows, breaking down doors... no, this is not a revolution.
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and these people are striving for power?
Who is striving for power?))
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no... this is not a revolution.
What is a revolution in your opinion?))
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Who is striving for power?
Isn't it visible in the video?
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What do you think a revolution is?
A revolution is a change of something, the destruction of old orders. There are two types of revolutions in a state: from above and from below. A revolution from above is a peaceful, bloodless abolition of old norms and orders, carried out by the supreme authority. A revolution from below is a radical change, an uprising of the people, riots, wars, and bloodshed. And you can find answers to such banal questions on the internet, who is striving for power and what a revolution is.
I am new to your forum, and I don't intend to argue or quarrel with anyone, good luck.
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Isn't it visible in the video?
A huge crowd of angry people storming the regional administration, striving for power?)) Read your nonsense again and use your brain.))
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A revolution from below is a fundamental upheaval, a rebellion of the people, riots, wars, and bloodshed.
This is what is happening in Ukraine right now, if you haven't noticed.
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Obviously, the supporters of the fascist regime of Yanek can only be either its constituent parts (and there are many of them – all the judges, prosecutors, police officers, tax officials, customs officers, firefighters, etc., and all their family members, as they are participants in the corruption pyramid and each has their own share) and slaves (I wrote about them above). There is also a part that are purely ideological opponents who are against Europe and for Russia (they hear and see nothing else).
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There's a saying on Maidan: if you see an extremist in a helmet with a bat passing by, they are usually a person with two higher degrees and good English. What's happening now is not a revolution of a mad proletariat; it's a bourgeois revolution. Anyone on Maidan can clearly explain and justify their political views.

An interesting interview with Alexei Arestovich:
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Let's avoid insults, otherwise I'll close the forum and there will be nowhere to discuss politics.
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Kostya, don't close it. What if other arguments arise?
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Let's avoid insults, or I'll close the forum and there will be nowhere to discuss politics.
It's about time.
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An interesting interview with Alexei Arestovich:
He speaks beautifully, you can listen to him for hours.:D
And he also calls for supporting the Maidan with weapons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXf0SSTo5TY. Ihti, you'll like this;).
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXf0SSTo5TY. Ikhti, you'll like this.

I watched that interview. He's saying some sensible things.
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So, should we give guns to those who were throwing Molotov cocktails? It's not hard to guess what will come of it.
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Javdet, please watch the interview again carefully, and don't just listen to it superficially. It contains not only the terrible word "weapon," but also detailed arguments and clarifications.
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Don't have a plan? Will this one do?

1. The President – Ukraine doesn't need him. This is part of the Russian mindset: there must be a prince-tsar-emperor-leader-general secretary-president, by the very nature of things. Ukrainians don't have this archetype, due to the people's heightened "freedom," which is why a president doesn't take root.
Well, it's not necessary; let there be a parliamentary republic.

2. Representation of different parties not only in the legislative but also in the executive branch. Because right now, what's happening? The ruling party appoints the government; this is the same thing as with the president, just viewed from a different angle. But it could be: the ruling party appoints a prime minister, and he assembles a team from different parties, say, one ministerial portfolio for every 12-15 deputies. This is undoubtedly a complex administrative task, but the head of state should only be involved in such tasks, selecting suitable people for suitable positions.

3. Separation of the state from business. A declaration that if a person decides to pursue a political career, they cannot engage in business, and neither can their children. And no law can be passed that benefits one enterprise to the detriment of others. Creating such a legal environment in which firms and organizations can only compete through economic means. This should be the main task of the state, which cannot be accomplished in a few years. That is, the main task of the state should be: creating conditions under which the population of Ukraine will peacefully and fairly develop the wealth of their country.

Ukraine's wealth:
30% of the world's black soil reserves (the most productive soil)
reserves of coal, iron, and manganese ore (direct competitors to Russia)
a complete aircraft manufacturing cycle has been preserved
automotive industry (forget about passenger cars, but you can produce your own public transport)
shipbuilding (unfortunately, in a state of suspended animation)
a population of 45 million, a considerable resource and a huge domestic market.
And much more, it just needs a Creator to follow the Destroyers.

This has already been said at the previous Maidan.
The wise leader Yushchenko, the mother of the people Tymoshenko, and as soon as they come to power, Ukraine will immediately start living better than everyone else.
They won, came to power, and immediately started fighting each other. Why didn't they build a free and prosperous Ukraine?
Oh, I understand, those were the bad ones, but these are good and correct leaders.

Now, the Maidan is united only by the desire to overthrow the ruling clan. And (if) they win, how will democrats get along with fascists, the diaspora with football fans? It will obviously be much worse than it is now. I don't believe in a Bandera supporter who, upon coming to power, will proclaim respect and equality for other nations living there, whether they are Jews, Russians, or Poles; that would be some kind of incorrect Bandera supporter, a renegade Bandera supporter.
As a Russian, I don't want to see such chaos in the neighboring country.

The only thing a new leader can capitalize on is the darkest nationalism, as has happened many times, to find enemies and carry out genocide in the name of the nation's future.
I don't like Yanukovych, but the next one will be worse.

If you don't like the president, RE-ELECT HIM THROUGH LEGAL MEANS; right now, he is legitimate because he won the election, and those who are overthrowing him are coup plotters.

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