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http://www.unian.net/politics/875743-berkut-fotografiruet-razdetogo-na-moroze-aktivista-video.html
romantic, are you defending these creatures?)
I could have posted a picture of a burning riot policeman who was thrown with a Molotov cocktail from the crowd, and then they wonder why the riot police react so harshly, but I don't want to argue or prove anything, there are right-wingers on both sides, as in any civil war, and it looks like a war is already going on, so write, argue, but don't go beyond the forum rules.
P.S. - the forum has turned into something incomprehensible, the only thing I don't understand is what HeroesWorld has to do with it?
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Are these creatures, in your opinion? Then, add another video showing how two "Berkut" officers were similarly overpowered, broken, and separated. You could also add that many people suffered because of the "Berkut." No problem, but just for yesterday, 70 "Berkut" officers received medical assistance, and 40 of them are bedridden...
I'm saying this because there might be an order to break these 500, or even 2,000, fascists, but there isn't one (and there won't be, so as not to provoke the scum). There will be one if they become completely savage and the "Berkut" suffers losses.
Do you want to be in the EU? In the EU, they would have already shot all of them for such actions.
Okay, I'm going for a walk; otherwise, things are getting out of hand.
500?) You forgot a zero. Of course, they are creatures; normal people wouldn't go around attacking their own people. And it's a pity that you don't see the difference between when ordinary people break the law and when the law is broken by its own representatives. Although, nothing surprising, in our country, people go to the police, prosecutor's office, SBU, and similar structures precisely to break the law, not to protect it. Does this suit you? But the people on Maidan, on Hrushevsky Street, on Bankova Street, it doesn't suit them.
P.S. 5 people died, and there are still people who are wailing about the poor "Berkut." They should be hanged, every other one of them.
P.P.S. Rom, can you imagine such behavior from police officers in the EU? I can't. And if someone even thought of it, they would be completely destroyed within a couple of days, and they would never work in the police again.
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Весна 2014.
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Well, alright. I won't write a huge post. I'll just express my opinion; I have the right to do so.
I just want to say that I completely agree with the respected Wicc, LeBron, and a few other sensible people.
As for the rest... Well, let them keep spouting their nonsense; it's not worth paying attention to them, in my opinion. They're just not very bright people; what can you expect?
While reading the forum, I didn't see a single reasonable argument from them, only some kind of terrible delirium.
And I want to wish the Berkut officers good health, and may they withstand the attacks of the fascists today. These "nationalists" are such vile people; they are stupid, dull, and inadequate; they are so pathetic that I don't even want to write about them. I hope that all these **** will get what they deserve.
I hope that Ukraine will be able to stand strong today. Ultimately, I'm not even against separation – let these fascists go to Europe if that's what they want, but they'll be crawling back on their knees in a couple of years. That's all.

Everything depends on which side you sympathize with and the opinion you've formed, so that it becomes "your own." Those who disagree are automatically labeled as degenerates, idiots, and morons. As lost and hopeless fools without brains.

"How can you not understand?"
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There are so many people from Western Ukraine spouting all sorts of nonsense in the thread; it's scary.
And this reminded me of Aripiprazole; he always blamed the Jews. And anyone who disagreed with him was automatically a "Jew" who was spreading the interests of a global conspiracy.

Well, okay, I think the topic has run its course; everyone will stick to their own opinion.
I've probably read this for the third time now on this topic. And yet, it always comes down to the same thing. It starts all over again, again and again.
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Interesting topic, it’s always nice to read comments from knowledgeable people who understand the subject ;)
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I'll add my two cents as well. The most interesting thing is that all these "defenders of Maidan" are not from the capital, and they only know about it from the media and blindly believe what the media tells them. Accordingly, their opponents believe what they are told. If you knew what the attitude towards this is in Kyiv... As they say, it's better to see it once than to hear about it a hundred times. Next, a little background, all IMHO. Back in the early 2000s, the only candidate who seemed adequate to me was Yushchenko, when he was still the head of the National Bank. Then came 2004, and we all remember how it ended. But back then, the opposition offered alternatives to the current government, and people believed and gathered on Maidan for an idea. What do we have now? Either the same slogans that have failed before, or nothing at all, just "remove Yanukovych, and we will live better." And none of those present in these 50 pages has answered why, after removing Yanukovych, we will live better? Who, how, and by what methods will this be achieved? Furthermore, it is very interesting who gave Satir and others the right to express their opinion as the opinion of ALL of Ukraine? Please, only speak for yourself and for your circle of friends. If 100% of them agree with you, that does not mean that 100% of Ukraine agrees with you. And finally, a simple piece of advice to all those who sympathize: come and see everything with your own eyes. This is no longer the Maidan that it was at the beginning of December. Smart people realized that this is just another scam and went home. Only the uneducated, fanatics, and those who are being paid remain.
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Leader, you shouldn't waste your time responding to such nonsense; it's not worth it. After reading the first paragraph, I realized that this person is either too young, or stupid, or just a troll. Or maybe all of the above.
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Please, only sign for yourself and for your circle of contacts. If 100% of them agree with you, that doesn't mean it's 100% of Ukraine.

Exactly. You shouldn't sign on behalf of all Kyiv residents. In my opinion, for example, what you wrote is complete nonsense (personally for me), as is the case with most forum experts.
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500?) You forgot a zero. Of course, you monster, normal people wouldn't go around attacking their own people. And it's a pity if you don't see the difference between when ordinary people break the law and when the law is broken by its own representatives. Although, there's nothing surprising about it; in our country, people join the police, the prosecutor's office, the SBU, and similar organizations precisely to break the law, not to uphold it. Does that suit you? But the people on Maidan, on Hrushevsky Street, on Bankova Street, it doesn't suit them.
P.S. 5 people died, and there are still people who whine about the poor Berkut. They should be hanged, every other one of them.
P.P.S. Rom, can you imagine such behavior from police officers in the EU? I can't. And if someone even thought of it, they would be torn to shreds in a couple of days, and they would never work in the police again.
Here, by the way, is the closest analogue:

London riots of 2011

They are in pictures
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Vatya

The most interesting thing is that all these defenders of the Maidan are not from the capital.
They just took him and evicted him from his hometown, where he had lived his whole life. :smile05:
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And none of those present in the 50 pages answered why, after removing Yanukovych, we will live better? Who, how, and by what methods will this happen?
Is there a difference between ordinary bandits and bandits with power? Sorry for answering a question with a question.
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Furthermore, it is very interesting who gave Satyr and others the right to express their opinion as the opinion of ALL of Ukraine? Please, only sign for yourself and for your circle of friends. If 100% of them agree with you, that doesn't mean 100% of Ukraine agrees.
But you yourself just signed for all of Kyiv.
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And finally, just a piece of advice to all those who sympathize: come and see everything with your own eyes. This is no longer the Maidan that it was in early December. Smart people realized that this was just another scam and left/went home. Only the uneducated, fanatics, and those who are being paid remain.
And did you come yourself, did you see? How did you determine the level of intelligence of those standing there?
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Весна 2014.
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but it's a stream of utter nonsense
This isn't nonsense, these are arguments :D
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What is the closest analogy to this?
The relationship between the police and an aggressive crowd during the Maidan protests. Outside of the political context, it varied in these cases.
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Here's a close analogy, by the way:

Riots in London-2011

The same in pictures
Firstly, the link to the pictures is broken.
Secondly, I asked you a question about Ukrainians and the Russian language, and you ignored it. Will you answer it now?
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Весна 2014.
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You wrote complete nonsense (personally for me), as did most forum experts.
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Honestly, I didn't want to get involved in this topic, but the stream of utter nonsense is just bewildering.

It's time to either state your point of view or stop interfering with the discussion.
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Furthermore, it's very interesting who gave Satyr and others the right to express their opinion as the opinion of ALL of Ukraine?

Indeed, it's interesting.
1. Where exactly did Satyr express his opinion as the opinion of ALL of Ukraine? Provide specific links or quotes.
2. Who are these "others"? Nick.
3. Where did these "others" express their opinion as the opinion of ALL of Ukraine? Links or quotes.
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