Posts from CIS-2014 in Minsk.

With all due respect, I've only seen the user "organizer" in the WarCraft Tavern chat a couple of times. He doesn't have a seasonal rating, and he hasn't participated in any tournaments.

He's an old friend of Tvarini, and they know each other well.

Almost like a creature's protégé.

Only "HotA under SoD" with slight balance changes can lure the online community, and only then a gradual introduction of features.

It already is "under SoD"... the developers view changes to standard functionality quite skeptically; they mostly add new things. For example, they refused to implement the guild rebuild in the BT version. But, say, the idea of a new building on the map where you can buy spell scrolls appealed to them. I wouldn't venture to predict how it will turn out in the end.

Wouldn't it be possible to provide an approximate budget? Or a link if one exists? If I find a suitable company, I might consider coming, but I'll definitely let you know by the end of March. I won't be playing poker or going to the sauna, but I'd be happy to play football or billiards. And if the room is affordable, by the way, if anyone plays bridge, I can join them if I come.

She is exactly "under SoD" ... the developers are rather skeptical about changing the standard functionality, mostly adding new things.

You know for yourself that if you cram in too much new content, people will start to complain (creature experience, new Griffin Conservatories/Dragon Fly Hives), so you need to add it wisely. Therefore, if you throw everything in randomly, you'll end up with a second VoG.

I won't venture to predict how it will ultimately turn out.

Time will tell.

P.S.: Something about the Organizer is too harsh. I'll look into it tomorrow.

The organizer may be a clown, but what was he banned for? I still don't understand. Or is he a disgruntled moderation guru?

Was he banned simply because he "didn't appeal" to someone?

There would be a user. And there will always be a reason to ban them.

The organizer may be a clown, but what was he banned for? I still don't understand. Or is he a disgruntled moderation guru?

Was he banned just because he "didn't appeal" to someone?

Don't show off, or you'll get the same treatment:p

Well, the guy's a bit off his rocker: a couple more bans and he'll get bored.:D

Loi also acted strangely for the first couple of months, then he calmed down.

Don't show off, or you'll get dealt with too:p

I've already been "treated." Just got out of the hospital :D
You remembered Loi, but I remembered AlexR. He was also a mega-moderator who appeared out of nowhere with a huge ego, but after getting the authority. "The Boss."

Don't act up, or you'll get the same treatment:p

Well, this guy's mind snapped a bit: a couple more bans and he'll get bored.:D

Loi also acted like he was something special for the first couple of months, then he calmed down.

If you don't know how to respect your interlocutor, your place is in the pen; whoever bans him, I support it.

P.S. I liked yesterday's night stream - and you behaved "inappropriately" on the "good person's" stream - go get banned or go to the tractorist (s) :D

Yeah, it's only been a couple of days, but so much has been written.
The leader really surprised me with his article; there are parts that I, as someone who was quite serious about VT in the past, don't fully understand! This shows that you've really delved into VT, you didn't just lazily repeat what everyone else does, who just spout nonsense without understanding anything. It would be better if you channeled that energy into creation, rather than criticism. But, of course, critics are also needed.
I see several problems, some of which are artificially created:
1. What's better – SOD or VT?
2. SOD players are being oppressed – they're treated like losers, weaklings, etc.
3. What should be the format for CIS tournaments?

But maybe we shouldn't compare them? How much longer can we argue about which side to crack an egg from? Let SOD be for SOD players, and VT be for VT players. Everyone chooses what they want to play. The more something is forced on people, the more natural resistance there is. If, after so many years, TE/VT hasn't resonated with the masses, it won't now. Even if you improve management and marketing, it won't. This isn't a mass-market game; you need to delve into it, understand it, and enjoy the different versions. Unfortunately, there are very few such people, maybe 20 or 30, I don't think there are more. But it's worth acknowledging that these are truly intelligent and talented people, capable of playing both versions equally well, switching between different mechanics, and being at the forefront of both versions.
There's a lot of noise about the humiliation of SOD players. But, apart from the "sheep" from a random and insignificant Organizer, I haven't seen anything offensive from VT players here, but you, SOD players, write all sorts of nonsense about yourselves. You're belittling yourselves. We are what we believe we are. If YOUR ENTIRE experience in the game is drinking beer in the evening while moving around units, and putting down VT, well... that's also a valid way to play. But then why complain?
For me, it's undeniable that a more capable person is someone who didn't just lazily find the time and opportunity to fully understand VT, and then decide whether to criticize it or not; otherwise, it's better to remain silent. There are only two such people who express themselves constructively – the radical Leader and the more open-minded Dirty. And many can't even properly play SOD, but... VT is crap...
But the point isn't that. Let's look at who actually comes to the latest CIS tournaments? Yes, it's mostly VT players. These are people who have the desire and the opportunity to come to the CIS tournament, and they do come, sacrificing some of their resources and benefits, proving their fanaticism (without being extreme) for the game, not in forum arguments, but in real life. Undoubtedly, these are, on average, successful people who can afford to manage to learn and play both versions, but also earn a living and have the opportunity to come to real-life sessions. So why can't they assert their right to play their preferred version?
Moscow 2013 and Kyiv 2014 for SOD. I wasn't in Moscow, but the Kyiv tournament doesn't live up to the level of a CIS tournament, either in terms of the lineup or the number of participants. SOD players aren't coming. Why? Are they not fans? Do they not have the opportunity? Nonsense. They just don't want to. They love to chat here on the forum, but when it comes to action, they disappear. The conclusion is that SOD tournaments are only for online play? Well, if SOD players don't come to the CIS tournament, why complain about VT? They probably need to gather a strong team and tell Lisar – "sorry, dude, we don't care, there will be SOD." And he won't be able to do anything about it. But for now, there's only SOD whining, and in reality, only VT players will come again.
This war is not needed by anyone, because any war brings only destruction, and we need peace, development, and prosperity. And we need to find a compromise for mass appeal instead of squabbles for internal competitions. In my opinion, almost every serious VT player will also play SOD if there are really more SOD players. But not just casual players who like to move units around while drinking beer, but really dedicated players who are focused on winning.

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+++ I completely agree!

+++ I completely agree!

even with this?

2. Sodovtsev are being oppressed - they are treated like scum, weaklings, etc.

aren't they just making fun of them in return? :)

The more something is forced upon people, the greater the natural resistance to it. If, after so many years, TE/VT hasn't resonated with the masses, it won't now. Even if the management and marketing are improved, it won't. This isn't a mass-market game; you need to delve into it, understand it, and enjoy the different versions. Unfortunately, there are very few such people, maybe 20 or 30, I think no more.

but there's one BUT: if the "official" developer released a single version based on a specific version, and everyone played that version, that version would become the default version worldwide, instead of those patches that change the physics for a small group of users. But even here, a cool head is needed, and not like it was with the fourth Heroes, where we waited and got...

Maybe we shouldn't compare them? ... Everyone chooses what they want to play.

I would add - Golden words, Peter! (c)

I propose the following system for conducting matches.

For matches of the type "true Sodovets vs. true VTSchnik", the following should be done:

1. Sodovets chooses the game version.
2. If it's Shades of Darkness, VTSchnik chooses the template.
3. If it's The Succession Wars, Sodovets chooses the template.

In defense of the romantic, I'd like to say that this user most likely appeared on the forum specifically to stir up trouble. It's worth remembering the recent incident on Tvarina's stream, when the aforementioned individual intentionally provoked an aggressive reaction from Sasha by appearing near the end of the stream and posting an unsubstantiated statement in the chat. Again, before that, the user showed no activity on the forum, but here, suddenly, there's an epic argument, and he's right there.