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Offline Grizvald
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Мой стрим-канал: http://heroes3.tv/Grizvald.

Восстановил старый номер аси, теперь тут: 625045517

"Это нам идеально подходит" (с)

"Лабета - папашка на первую неделю" (с)

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Offline Javdet
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and you weren't even tired?
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Offline Grizvald
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A rare occasion when I feel drawn to something like this :) I couldn't resist and spent 5 minutes on it :)
Мой стрим-канал: http://heroes3.tv/Grizvald.

Восстановил старый номер аси, теперь тут: 625045517

"Это нам идеально подходит" (с)

"Лабета - папашка на первую неделю" (с)

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Offline KobRa_RR
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Grizvald - a hammer! And by the way, you're right about your frog. A "lucky loser" can't win against a mirror, the situation is the same! ))


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Offline Javdet
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Okay, I'll share my opinion on this matter, I think I have the moral right to do so))
When everyone and their mother was playing SMAC, and only a handful of people in the HeroesWorld community knew about other templates, Javdet, having read about the glorious feats of our Baiev team against the foreigners, held the 1st Jebus Cross tournament, which he now regrets. Not immediately, but after a couple of years, Jebus Cross became a pimple on the... backside of such a wonderful game as Heroes, destroying everything beautiful about it and leaving it all to the mercy of the RNG. I take no pleasure whatsoever in watching a two-way stream of equally skilled opponents when one of them will still win, unless of course he throws the game))) It's just not interesting... And it's also frustrating that there were people who seemingly made a breakthrough by creating the ability to make mirror templates, but the masses simply didn't care, because popcorn Jebus is much easier, right?))

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Grizvald - well done)) And everything you said in your rant is correct) The "prosh loh" can't win on a mirror, because the layout is exactly the same!!!! ))))
Well, that's actually the only downside of mirror matches. Sometimes you can win even on pro, if you guess 1 out of 6)
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Here's an idea: use a "three-sided coin" (e.g., on cards) to choose between SoD, VT with SoD, or full VT.

If full VT is chosen: it's a pure mirror match, x3dm1.

If VT with SoD is chosen: it's Jebus, 8mm6a, Diamond.

If SoD is chosen: it's a build from 5 templates suggested by the SoD community.

P.S. Full VT 8mm6a often performs more dynamically and faster in terms of real time than Jebus in SoD. Plus, there won't be timers like 5K+600; offline tournament rules should be closer to blitz games. SoD's 16+8+1 and/or VT's 4K+500 are perfect. There won't be three-month games, etc. In all games, a "D-Day" will be set: 231, by which time the final build must be completed, or the win will be awarded based on the save.

P.P.S. Specially to Cap: you're really bold all the time;). Come visit, I'll pour you some moonshine, and you'll love VT;).
In general, that's strange logic. I thought it should be the other way around: the version depends on the chosen template.

I don't understand where this VT timer came from again? It seems that after the blitz tournaments, we came to the conclusion that it's quite possible to play something like 2-3K + 400 - and don't repeat the stories about strategy, etc. No matter how many Jebusoid streams I watch, it's always the same: wait and def are clicked with the mouse, splitting troops is a nightmare; it's good if someone can separate units using hotkeys.:confused:

Guys, I'll reveal a terrible secret: to manipulate the army in VT, it's not necessary to enter the hero at all, and this saves a lot of time!

KobRa, Artem, I know you've been very busy lately, but maybe you'll find some time and make a tutorial video on how to use hotkeys properly!
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Offline Dirty_Player
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A "noob" can't win against a skilled player in a mirror match, the situation is always the same!!! ))))
I personally disagree with the opinion that there's no skill involved in mirror matches. Different heroes appear, some get a money hero, some get a hero with tactics that helps break through the ranged block, some get Luna, etc. Even just guessing/not guessing the direction or the treasure location, etc., can make a difference.

We should strive to increase the number of mirror matches and the variety of their gameplay, because everyone is stuck on h3dm1, just like they were stuck on 2sm4d(3) 5 years ago.
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It's a rather strange logic. I thought it should be the other way around, with the version depending on the chosen map.

I don't understand where this timer for Warlords Tactics (WT) came from again. It seems that after the blitz tournaments, we came to the conclusion that it is quite possible to play something like 2-3K + 400, and I don't need you to repeat the stories about strategy, etc. No matter how many Jebusoid streams I watch, it's always the same: wait, def are clicked with the mouse, splitting troops is a complete disaster, and it's good if someone can separate units using hotkeys:confused:

Guys, I'll reveal a terrible secret: for manipulating the army in WT, it's not necessary to go into the hero at all, and this saves a lot of time!

KobRa, Artem, I know you've been very busy lately, but maybe you'll find some time and make a tutorial video on how to use hotkeys properly!

I even know which "Jebusoids" you're talking about. They don't make it far in the Jebus tournaments, and they are unlikely to appear in the CIS scene. True Jebus fanatics are fine with hotkeys, etc., and the timer is simply needed because 8-10 heroes are busy with something useful, and not 2-3, as with the "Jebusoids".

Mirrored maps are, of course, great. But are we trying to turn heroes into a pure sport? Or are we:confused: ? Playing only on mirrored maps will also not be the CIS scene, but just a tournament on mirrored maps, for which it doesn't seem reasonable to gather the bohemian hero community for a week away from most people's homes.

It seems that we will not come to a consensus on the versions, as always. Therefore, I propose a simple option: in a match between a SoD player and a WT player, flip a coin to decide whether it will be a "pure SoD" or "WT with SoD settings - all special settings disabled". This is fair.

I really want to participate in the tournament, especially a "home" one, but not like in Novosibirsk, where I made half of the moves in the game with Anton sub-optimally because "damn, there's no gold", "damn, they have morale" and so on. And to train specifically in SoD - well, no thanks, I'd rather play Dota. No offense. Or just send Lizard and his supporters to hell - let them organize it, and we will gladly play SoD ourselves.
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Your brutal avatar doesn't quite match the sentimental tone of the last paragraph.
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Offline Javdet
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We should aim to increase the number of mirror maps and the variety of their gameplay, because everyone is stuck on h3dm1, just like they were with 2sm4d(3) 5 years ago.
Kostyan, no one wants to listen about Hexagon. It's the perfect template for these kinds of events. And another plus for bringing mages back into the game. Anyway, I don't know how to get through to them.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Kostyan, no one stubbornly wants to listen about Hexagon. It's the perfect template for events like these. And another plus for bringing the mages back into the game. In short, I don't know how to get through to him.

Well, as usual - organize a Hexagon tournament.
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It's been almost half a year since he started organizing it.
My personal experience with conducting something similar using DSLRs isn't very encouraging.
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Kostyan, no one really wants to listen about Hexaga. It's the perfect template for events like these. And another plus for bringing back the resurrection of mages into the game. In short, I don't know how to get through to him.
Yes, Hexaga won't work, just like Ёлка or anarchy schemes with 3 castles didn't work. Hypercube is the same. We need to move towards mirrored Jebs, mirrored M200, or rather even S200. So that it's the same as it is now, but mirrored. Although I think that until Baratortch adds mirrored maps to SOD, it's a bad idea because WT is stagnant, and it's easier for everyone to play SOD.
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You're doing the same. You haven't even tried it, and you're already complaining. Hexagon maps have one external issue – three starting castles. But it's like olives – you need to get used to it.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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He's been organizing things for about half a year now.
A year? Please, don't exaggerate :D Zhenya is even lazier than me, and together with Valenok and FTS, they are incredibly lazy :D We still haven't finished a single joint project.
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