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What are you even talking about? Ukrainians shouldn't turn their backs on Russians like that. We are all Slavs, we should be allies, we need to fight against all the Western "monstrosities," such as homosexuality, Americanization, the destruction of culture, and the imposition of tolerance on us, as well as against the Islamic world, which is gradually conquering us. Imagine the world our children and grandchildren will live in. A world where there are absolutely no moral or spiritual values. No culture. No religion. Nothing, only dollar signs will be reflected in their eyes. And every other person will be gay or lesbian. It will be even easier for the Islamic world to conquer us then. In a world where we, Christians, will have to live according to Sharia law, because if we don't resist, we will face a repeat of the scenario that happened in Lebanon or Yugoslavia. It's already been unsafe for a long time. In Moscow, the day before yesterday, late in the evening, three Caucasians dared to attack a woman, a police officer intervened, and they stabbed him right in the center of Moscow. And all three idiots escaped. And what about racial mixing? It's a complete nightmare. All of South America is suffering because of it now. There are many mixed-race people in Bulgaria, whose ancestors were Turks. It's TERRIFYING.
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Only in the Kharkiv region, there is one district (I won't name it specifically) where 10 different companies extract gas from about 200 wells. Guess, are they private or state-owned? :D :D Not a single penny of taxes from this extraction goes to the district budget. Now it's clear why it's "not profitable" to extract their own gas and why there's always a shortage? ))
Obviously, this doesn't apply to everyone, and those who don't understand shouldn't worry, the most important thing is friendship with Russia))).
Who cares where the money goes, the issue is much more serious – the environmental consequences.

Here are some links I found (about Ukraine and in general):

http://www.eco-nomos.ru/2012/06/slancevii-gaz/
http://argumentua.com/stati/slantsevyi-gaz-pokhoronit-ekologiyu-ukrainy
http://ekklezia.ru/forum/obo-vsem-na-svete.html?id=3258
http://lady-pom2013.narod.ru/index/0-2
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It doesn't matter to whom the money goes; the issue is much more serious – the environmental consequences.

Here are some links I found (about Ukraine and in general):

http://www.eco-nomos.ru/2012/06/slancevii-gaz/
http://argumentua.com/stati/slantsevyi-gaz-pokhoronit-ekologiyu-ukrainy
http://ekklezia.ru/forum/obo-vsem-na-svete.html?id=3258
http://lady-pom2013.narod.ru/index/0-2

Haha, you say it doesn't matter to whom the money goes?))) I understand :D :D
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Did I hear something about Sevastopol? Or am I imagining things?
I understand perfectly that participating in discussions here doesn't necessarily indicate great intelligence or common sense (sorry if I offend anyone)((by the way, a big thank you to Tvaryna for keeping this topic on the streams – it was the only time I wanted to turn off the broadcast)), but still, for those interested in Sevastopol's opinion:
http://sevastopol.su/news.php?id=54903
http://sevastopol.su/news.php?id=55368
http://sevastopol.su/world.php?id=55389
Those who have a different opinion don't have to comment; please respect other people's opinions and provide arguments for your replies in other posts, otherwise, it's just pointless chatter like "write more" (in my opinion, it's nonsense).
Thank you for the interesting posts, Vika, Cobra, Dzhavdet, Peterius, and, unexpectedly for me, Flavio.

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Yes, everyone is doing great, especially Wicc, who is the best at keeping the conversation going. And Rebellius is very sensitive; someone, give him a nudge, there's no need to be offended.
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So, by providing those links, are you implying (or stating) that everyone living there shares that "opinion"? :D
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За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Putin saved [someone/something]
Ukraine received from Russia everything that the EU didn't provide.

In a year, Yanukovych will ask Putin for even more.
What will we pay with next time?
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So, with the links you provided, are you implying (or stating) that absolutely everyone living there shares this "opinion"? :D
Of course not – that would be absurd, but about 80-90% share this opinion, and that's a very large percentage. It's rare to find a more unified opinion than here, which is why I'm writing about it. You seem to be someone who focuses on the literal meaning of words, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. By the way, try putting yourself in your opponent's shoes and, for example, supporting them even if you disagree, and find something reasonable in what they're saying. Only then can you truly hear them.
I think that practically every thoughtful person can list the pros and cons of any event (for example, both for and against the EU), and if you put that person in opposition to themselves, you'll find that they can easily find arguments on the other side and prove it to others. The only question is, do you believe yourself?
I'll say that, using the example of the same game, I would like our society to be united, and I see the whole point of our presence here and there in that. (Currently, society is divided, and people are not listening to each other or are consciously not listening (for money)).

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By the way, try to put yourself in your opponent's shoes, and for example, support him even if you disagree, and find something reasonable in what he says. Only then can you truly hear him.

That's not really my style. It's too sophisticated. It's more something Ariputre would be good at:D
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Or to scrape together enough money for salaries and pensions for civil servants and pensioners. Or will the Maidan provide for them?) The West hasn't given Ukraine a single penny, and if they really cared about the people, as they claim, they would have stepped aside and not been constantly interfering!!

Artem, what nonsense are you talking about? Up to 30% of the state budget is being embezzled, and there are about 70-80 billion USD stashed away from all the previous years (although they claim it's less), what pensions are we talking about? The money is needed to put on a show of saving the homeland.

Wicc
//scratched the calloused spot on his palm//
Did they tell you that on the Maidan? :)

Ukraine currently has practically the maximum possible level of sovereignty. To increase it further, it needs bombs and missiles. Otherwise, its sovereignty will only decrease, regardless of which direction it leans – towards the West or the East.

What is the point of saying this? Can we stop thinking in stereotypes? Does everyone really need missiles to live normally, or should we all emulate the monsters around us? We have a great country, with sufficient infrastructure and prospects. Plus, we have formed a democratic society, and I understand that it is envied.
KobRa_RR

Just say it outright, we want portraits of McCain :D

Yes, McCain and others were simply shocked when they came and saw our Maidan. It's not filled with homeless people and the destitute (as you see on TV), but with decent, well-dressed, and beautiful people. Not a rabid youth like in the US or Ireland, France, ultra-right groups, or other marginalized groups. I repeat for the hundredth time, stop talking about the vectors of the West and the East, what is better and what is worse – this is an eternal topic. The people came out to overthrow the government. They came out on their own, from the common people to the bourgeoisie. And this is the greatest event in modern history. And no rotosei and smart alecks will be able to tarnish it. Just be envious.

P.S.: Regardless, the current government should be thanked for helping to create such a society with its own opinion and will.
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What was the point of saying that? Maybe it's time to stop thinking in stereotypes? Does everyone really need rockets to live a normal life, or should we all emulate the monsters around us? We have a wonderful country with sufficient infrastructure and prospects. Plus, we have formed a democratic society, and I understand that it is envied.
This was a response to those who desire more sovereignty, that is, the ability to make decisions contrary to the opinions of neighbors. The world is structured in such a way that the amount of sovereignty is directly related to the firepower. Envious? :confused: Ikhti, give Piterius his login back :D
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From now on, peaceful citizens on Maidan will be guarded by mounted Cossack patrols. Glory to Ukraine!))

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Ikhti, I don't understand why you're so worked up about Vladik and the events in Kyiv. Are you just a revolutionary at heart? Have you seen the video you were so impressed with? Think about it, isn't it possible that it's fake? If you don't figure it out, I can explain... Technology has advanced to the point where you can create any video, even without involving extras.
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Ikhti, I just don't understand why you're so worked up about Vladik and the events in Kyiv? Or are you just a revolutionary through and through?
There's also a theory that this is a bot from Yanukovych's team, whose goal is to discredit the opposition by setting a personal example.
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Ikhti, I don't understand why you're so worked up about Vladik and the events in Kyiv? Or are you just a revolutionary through and through? Did you see the video you were so impressed with? Think about it, isn't it possible that it's fake? If you can't figure it out, I can explain... Technology has advanced to the point where you can create any video, even without involving extras.
Vatyush, this isn't fake. There are other videos, but they're ordinary, without a helicopter, showing people singing the anthem that evening, without music or a soloist. It was all shown live. And why is it so hard to believe in national solidarity?
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