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Wicc

12/14/2013 6:45 PM UTC

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Historical experience shows that in order to maintain independence in a densely populated area with many neighbors, a clear national identity is needed – a unique language, a unique set of names/surnames, and distinctive physical features. In other words, it should be easy to draw a line between "us" and "them." And there should be a strong xenophobia towards foreigners in their area of residence.

For example, the Kurds have considered themselves a separate nation for many years and are fighting to restore Kurdistan. And now, they have every chance of doing so.

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favio

12/15/2013 2:15 PM UTC

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American senators, including John McCain, a well-known Russophobe, spoke at the Euromaidan in Kyiv, announcing US support. http://www.newsru.com/world/15dec2013/mccainmaydan.html This is bad news for the Ukrainian people; I express my condolences. The US has intervened fully in your affairs.

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KobRa_RR

12/15/2013 2:49 PM UTC

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favio

American senators, including John McCain, a well-known Russophobe, spoke at the Euromaidan in Kyiv, announcing US support.

http://www.newsru.com/world/15dec2013/mccainmaydan.html

This is bad news for the Ukrainian people; I express my condolences. The US has intervened fully in your affairs.

Well, no event ever happens without the "hegemon of the world." And they will never refuse to take a jab at Russia, just as the vile Baltic leadership will.

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rebellious

12/15/2013 3:24 PM UTC

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This is bad news for the Ukrainian people, I offer my condolences. The US has intervened fully on your behalf.

KobRa_RR

Well, no event ever happens without the "hegemon of the world." And they would never refuse to stick a needle into Russia, just like the vile Baltic leadership.

Looks like they did get "stabbed": D, and it even reached you. The Russian "interferer" has, by the way, been banned from entering. And it seems they didn't even read the news to the end. The key part is the last paragraph – about possible sanctions (like the Magnitsky list). Which is very effective against any leadership.

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Juristis

12/15/2013 7:00 PM UTC

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American senators, including John McCain, a well-known Russophobe, spoke at the Euromaidan in Kyiv, announcing US support.

http://www.newsru.com/world/15dec2013/mccainmaydan.html

This is bad news for the Ukrainian people; I express my condolences. The US has fully intervened in your affairs.

However, we would be very happy if they impose sanctions against our elite. If you want to express condolences to someone, look for another client.

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favio

12/15/2013 7:25 PM UTC

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Juristis

We would actually be happy if they imposed sanctions against our elite. If you want to express condolences to someone, look for another client.

Is this a joke?
Do you want to sell out to the West?

McCain hates all of us; he's a mentally ill person, just like Mitt Romney. Ukraine will be turned into a puppet state.

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KobRa_RR

12/15/2013 7:33 PM UTC

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rebellious

Looks like it stung: D, and it even reached you. By the way, the Russian "interferer" has been banned from entering. And it seems they didn't even read the news to the end. The key point is the last paragraph - about possible sanctions (like the Magnitsky list). Which is very effective against any elites.

It seems you don't understand that Ukraine is just a small pawn in a big game between Russia and America. But now its importance is greater than ever!
Why Ukraine is important to Russia - everything is clear: proximity of territories, trade component, historical community, etc.
But why is it important to America? They still perceive Russia as a potential enemy, and all these new air defense systems in Eastern European countries are aimed at... guess who? (answer: that's right, against the poor Iran and North Korea!!)
The US has already imposed its "democracy" in many places: in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Egypt, everywhere - and they will still be dealing with the consequences for another 100 years.)) In the US itself, there has been a crisis for a long time (external debt of 16 trillion, shootings in schools continue, and there is also a crisis of values and culture - although this is happening everywhere in the world now...). In the EU, there is also a crisis (poor Greece, Spain, Cyprus, migrants, unemployment of 10-30%, etc.) - perhaps with Ukraine joining, all their problems will be solved.
But, of course, you can also dream that you will live like in Germany. Russians (and not only them) thought so 20 years ago...

Ihtiandr

12/16/2013 3:57 AM UTC

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KobRa_RR

The US has been in a crisis for a long time.

We're still waiting for a crisis like theirs to hit us.))

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Roger DAltavilla

12/16/2013 7:10 AM UTC

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KobRa_RR

It seems you don't understand that Ukraine is just a small pawn in a big game between Russia and America.

Here, Kobra made me laugh. A big game between Russia and America, and Ukraine is just a pawn. But for America, Ukraine and Russia are the same.

"You sit here, gentlemen ministers, and think that all of Europe is watching you... No, for them, we are a minor political figure, one might say - no political figure at all..." (c) A. Tolstoy "Peter the First".

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Wicc

12/16/2013 8:01 AM UTC

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Roger DAltavilla

Cobra made us laugh; it's a big game between Russia and America, and Ukraine is just a bargaining chip. For America, Ukraine and Russia are the same.

Oh... and I was seriously arguing with... :)

Currently, the heavyweight category in global politics consists of 3 players: the USA, China, and Russia. The EU is also included due to its past achievements, but it's becoming increasingly difficult for it to pursue an independent policy – gout and shortness of breath are hindering it.

India, Brazil, Iran, the United Kingdom, and Japan (the latter two are included more for their past achievements) can be considered middleweights, as well as possibly Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Israel (their capabilities are not entirely clear). These are the active middleweights.

Among the passive ones (those not actively involved in global affairs), we can mention Australia, Argentina, Indonesia, Canada, and South Africa.

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Roger DAltavilla

12/16/2013 8:15 AM UTC

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Wicc

Oh... and with whom was I seriously arguing...? :)

Were you arguing with me? I didn't notice. Oh yes, there was a serious argument about Bubustan. :)

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theShevanesian

12/16/2013 8:18 AM UTC

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Small or not, I think they would never give up the territory from the Urals and beyond).

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Great Britain, Japan (the latter two, rather for past merits)

Well, there's an opinion that the English are still causing trouble, just as they did before.

Niemand

12/16/2013 8:23 AM UTC

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Roger DAltavilla

Cobra made us laugh; it's a big game between Russia and America, and Ukraine is just a bargaining chip. For America, Ukraine and Russia are essentially the same.

Actually, Cobra is right. In a large (or not so large) game between two empires, a country like Ukraine can be nothing more than a bargaining chip.

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favio

12/16/2013 8:46 AM UTC

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Roger DAltavilla

Cobra made us laugh; it's a big game between Russia and America, and Ukraine is just a bargaining chip. But for America, Ukraine and Russia are the same.

"You sit here, gentlemen ministers, and think that all of Europe is looking at you... No, for them, we are a minor politician, you could say – no politician at all..." (A. Tolstoy, "Peter the First").

You are wrong! Russia and China are currently hindering America's direct imperialism.
If Russia behaves more aggressively on the international stage, all that the US and the EU can do is bark louder, get more upset, and isolate Russia. However, Russia doesn't need this EU.
No country in the EU can survive on its own. There are approximately 500 million people in the entire EU, but unemployment is higher than in Russia, and all development has stalled.
Russia has excellent allies – the BRICS countries. You couldn't ask for better. And also Belarus.

As for Ukraine, there is a possibility of its Schism into Eastern and Western parts. Many residents of the Eastern part love Russians and want to join Russia. Western Ukrainians, on the other hand, are oriented towards the West. And I will gladly say that I will welcome Eastern Ukrainians in my country, hug each one, and shake their hands. As for the Western ones, who are full of anti-Russian sentiments, and in whose schools history is taught with a bias towards the US being good and Russia being bad, let them sell themselves to the West, join the EU, and completely destroy their historical East Slavic culture and roots. We don't need them!

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