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After all, he is one of the highest demons of the underworld! He can take on any form he wants, not just that of a cat.
And as for the doppelgangers, it's not that simple. At first glance, they seem like doppelgangers, but in reality, they are two sides of the same person. But not dark and light, just different.
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But that's one of the highest demons of hell!

I know.
He can take on any form he wants, not just a cat.

He had a human torso and an elephant's head. :) I understand why Asmodeus has multiple heads, but why does Behemoth have an elephant's head?
And the doppelgangers – it's not that simple. At first glance, they seem like doppelgangers. But in reality, they are two sides of the same person. But not dark and light, just different.

Yeah, something like that.
Страшней драколича зверя нет!
Жаль, не лебедь я...

Сандро (не)жив! :D :D :D

Влюбившийся дурак на глупости горазд (с)

В сказке грусти синей я один, как бог... (с)
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Why does Behemoth have an elephant's trunk? Just ask him!
Regarding the doppelgangers: Behemoth - Banga - it's terrible! Don't you feel sorry for Behemoth?
Natasha - Hella - what's the connection?
Existing doppelgangers:
Yeshua - Master (in the film, Bezrukov voices both characters)
Judas - Baron Maygel (Nagiev)
Caiphas - Man in a frock coat (Gaft)
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But how can Master and Yeshua be doppelgangers? They are completely different people, with different goals and objectives. The fact that they are played by the same actor doesn't mean anything. I don't think Bulgakov would resort to such a simplistic reflection. Most likely, this is just the first layer. After all, wouldn't you agree that saving all people and finishing a novel are somewhat different things? Master is more of a doppelganger of Bulgakov himself. And Yeshua is the Savior.
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There is a good website about Bulgakov, where you can read a lot, including about "The Master and Margarita" http://bulgakov.ru/
Настоящие герои - не те, пред кем мы преклоняемся, а те, кого мы оплевываем...[/COLOR]
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Why does Behemoth have an elephant? You should ask him!

I'm not really interested.
Regarding the doppelgangers: Behemoth - Banga - it's awful! Don't you feel sorry for Behemoth!

That's not my problem.
What don't you like about Banga? Is it because she's inexplicably a German Shepherd in the movie?
Natasha - Gella - what's the connection?

I've already forgotten. By the way, no one could guess who Natasha's doppelganger was.
Yeshua - Master (in the movie, Bezrukov voices both)

Master - Galibin.

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But how can Master and Yeshua be doppelgangers? They are completely different people, with different goals and objectives. The fact that they are played by the same actor doesn't mean anything.

What do the actors have to do with it? We're talking about the book. Master and Yeshua are both martyrs.
Страшней драколича зверя нет!
Жаль, не лебедь я...

Сандро (не)жив! :D :D :D

Влюбившийся дурак на глупости горазд (с)

В сказке грусти синей я один, как бог... (с)
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You know, I think the greatest martyrs are Woland and Pontius Pilate. Yeshua is not a martyr; he is the Savior. His suffering is completely different from that of the Master, who was simply harassed. It is inappropriate to equate them.
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What don't you like about Banga? The fact that she's inexplicably a German Shepherd in the movie? - I just like comparing Banga; it's not right to compare her to Behemoth. They are not just different characters; they even belong to different biological species.
Master - Galibin. - I said he voices the character.
You know, I think the biggest martyrs are Woland and Pontius Pilate. - Yes, but Yeshua and the Master have a connection; I might explain it later; my head isn't working well right now.
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It turns out there’s another film adaptation of “The Master and Margarita” made in 1994 and only recently shown at some closed event in Moscow. The director is Yuri Kara. The cast includes: Master - Rakov, Koroviev - Filipenko (without glasses and a checkered jacket, but with a mustache), Hella - Zakharova. The film lasted 3 hours, but in the final version, it was cut down to 1.5 hours. Ultimately, everything was cut, and the film turned into a series of jokes in the style of KVN. For example, when Bezdomny chases Koroviev, he (Koroviev) runs into the Kremlin, and Bezdomny says in a lecturing tone that evil forces are hiding in the Kremlin. And when the Satan’s
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You know, I think the biggest martyrs are Woland and Pontius Pilate. Yeshua is not a martyr; he is the Savior. His suffering is completely different from that of the Master, who was simply harassed. It is inappropriate to equate them.
Well, Woland is an eternally controversial figure... even in religion, this question (whether the devil suffers) is avoided...
The Master... the suffering of a personality... I don't think that if he were in the place of these two (Pontius and Yeshua) or three, he would be worthy of this level...
Мечты сбываются, просто нужно уметь правильно мечтать.

Жизнь нужно прожить так, чтобы Боги в восторге предложили еще одну...
P.S. может мне и предложили, просто я не помню :smile44:
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You can talk about the book endlessly, but the film disappointed me somewhat. The only thing the filmmakers managed to do well was the soundtrack, but everything else...
The film's portrayal of Woland is not how I imagined him in the book, not at all! In the film, he is too one-dimensional, which is simply not possible for the image of the Devil.
And the question of whether the Devil suffers, although it is not discussed in religion, is very interesting to writers... For example, is anyone familiar with Henry Lion Oldie's story "The Stepchildren of the Eighth Commandment"?
Restless. Endless. Mindless.
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З.Ы: кадилом по голове не бить.

З.З.Ы: А вот у нас в Шио....:D
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The book and the film are, let's say, quite mediocre. If we consider Bulgakov's other works, this one stands out significantly, and I think it's his best. I've read the book three times. I saw the film in passing, but I wasn't particularly impressed. The actors are too familiar. In such works, it's not worth casting famous actors for the film adaptation.
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The book and the film are, let's say, quite mediocre. If we consider Bulgakov's other works, this one stands out significantly, and I think it's his best. I've read the book three times. I've only seen the film in passing, but it didn't really inspire me. The actors are too familiar. In such works, it's not a good idea to cast famous actors for the film adaptation.
I don't quite agree with you. For people of our time, this book shouldn't evoke such strong emotions. But, if we imagine that we lived in that era, reading the books that were read at that time, it would be a shock! The novel is unlike any other work of that period. Many glorified the system, while Bulgakov wrote about the devil, Yeshua, about witches, and about a writer who, in turn, wrote a novel about the procurator of Judea - and this was during the Soviet era!

Perhaps I believe in the mysticism of this novel - every time I start reading it, something unpleasant happens. But I can't stop... I don't love the novel as a whole. My favorite part is Ancient Judea, the scenes with Pontius Pilate (he's my favorite character in the book).

The series is terrible. Apart from the music, it didn't inspire me in any other way...
С того момента, когда человек начинает задумываться о смысле жизни, его уже можно считать больным. (З. Фрейд)
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I believe in the mysticism of the novel, but nothing bad happens when I read it...
No, the film is quite good, much better than average! The only thing is that some of the actors were not a good fit (like Basilashvili - a good actor, but too old for Woland). I can't think of anything else negative about the film. Some people also say that Bortko translated the book into the film too literally and didn't show his own interpretation, but I don't think that's a drawback...
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No, the film is quite good, well above average! The only thing is that some of the actors weren't quite right for the roles (like Basilashvili - a good actor, but too old for Woland).

It all depends on one's imagination :) In my mind, Woland wasn't older than Basilashvili, but he looked more like the actor who played Saruman in Lord of the Rings and the evil Jedi in Star Wars: Attack of the Clones. I really liked Abdoulov's performance; Margarita was disappointing :(
С того момента, когда человек начинает задумываться о смысле жизни, его уже можно считать больным. (З. Фрейд)
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