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Offline Ihtiandr
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Don't make me laugh.

Unfortunately, this is no joke.

For a long time, I couldn't believe in the widespread nature of Kremlin propaganda online. I thought that all these vile comments were genuinely the opinion of the people, and there was no point in arguing with them.

Of course, there are simply stupid people who believe what they see on TV and don't know anything else.
But there are far fewer of them; the majority of these commentators are paid trolls. These are employees of almost all government institutions, all system journalists. They are obliged to do this under the threat of dismissal. There are also many office workers who sit at their computers all day, and it is easy for them to find time for this. They receive about 85 rubles for a comment and about 200 for a discussion.

It should be understood that at the moment, a whole army has gathered – the total number is estimated in the tens of thousands. This is not a very large number, considering the size of the internet, but they act in an organized manner and, on command, flock to any political debate. As a result, people get a false impression of public opinion.

There is already a lot of evidence and exposure regarding this fact:

VEDOMOSTI - The Kremlin is reclaiming the internet from the opposition

NOVAYA GAZETA - Where do trolls live? And who feeds them?

GAZETA.RU - "Why did I run a blog if I don't get anything for it?"

Anatomy of Kremlin Bots

A troll lair has been discovered near St. Petersburg, where they denounce Navalny and praise Russian cinema
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I'll just note that you "marked" those who have a family, children, and have something to lose, so I fit perfectly into this category.

I definitely didn't want to offend you and didn't judge those who were "branded" based on this criterion. Everyone has the right to express their opinion, and that's good. At the beginning of the discussion, I thought that Wicc was genuinely expressing his opinion. But during the discussion, he revealed himself.
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Lol, I always thought that Artem's avatar featured some kind of root vegetable, but it turned out to be shawarma.
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But I'm afraid you're no longer taking risks. While one can simply disagree or agree with your attempts to analyze the situation, the appropriateness of the observations you add, and the events from your own life, the tendency to resort to personal attacks against those who disagree with you is clearly inappropriate and irritating. You call Ikhti "stupid/naive" and say that the Satyr "showed his level of intellectual development." Moreover, this behavior is presented as "preventively brainwashing within the framework of a discussion." It's quite strange to want a discussion and then call your opponents fools.
And it's also interesting, although I'm not a doctor, when did you suddenly realize that you had a mission and the right to brainwash others?
The manner of discussion is adapted to the opponent and the target audience.

For example, our dialogue with Snooppy is quite civil, even though he doesn't agree with me on a number of points. In fact, this is how it usually goes with most people.

But Ikhti immediately fell into the category of overly zealous debaters, and I prefer to talk to them like this.
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There is already a lot of evidence and debunking regarding this fact:
Dear ariputra, please log in :D :D :D

P.S.: Sorry, I couldn't resist))))
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Dear ariputra, please log in.

What's wrong with the links to official sources? I, unlike this person, am very skeptical about such information. In this case, however, the information seems quite reliable to me. Maybe not 100%, but still.
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What's wrong with the links to official sources? I, unlike this person, am very skeptical about such information. In this case, however, the information seems quite reliable to me. Maybe not 100%, but still.
But the conclusions are surprisingly similar.
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Ikhti, you have paranoia; you see a universal conspiracy everywhere.

But in general, Professor Preobrazhensky was right:
— And God save you — don't read Soviet newspapers before lunch.
— Hmm... But there are no others.
— Then don't read any. You know, I conducted 30 observations in my clinic. And what do you think? Patients who don't read newspapers feel great. Those whom I specifically forced to read "Pravda" lost weight. Moreover, they had reduced knee reflexes, poor appetite, and a depressed state of mind.
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Ikhti, you have paranoia; you see a universal conspiracy everywhere.

This kind of "paranoia" isn't unique to me. All regular LiveJournal users know the term "Kremlinbot" and can explain what it is in detail. Is it mass paranoia? You can use such a simplistic argument to counter any statement, but it's not very helpful.
— And God save you — don't read Soviet newspapers before lunch.
— Hmm… But there are no others.
— Then don't read any. I conducted 30 observations in my clinic. And what do you think? Patients who don't read newspapers feel great. Those I specifically forced to read "Pravda" lost weight. Moreover, they had reduced knee reflexes, poor appetite, and a depressed mood.

Truly, happiness lies in ignorance. But such an amorphous attitude of the population is very convenient for the current government. The less the people know, the less they resist. And the government always puts maximum pressure on the people until it encounters resistance.

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By the way, Kuvaev, the creator of Masya, also has paranoia about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LuyZ7ZdOow
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Indeed, happiness lies in ignorance. But such an amorphous attitude of the population is very convenient for the current government. The less people know, the less they resist. And the government always puts maximum pressure on the people until it encounters resistance.
But what does ignorance have to do with it? The point is to choose the right source and get accurate and, most importantly, useful information. And not to fill your head with nonsense, whether it comes from the TV or from "Pravda."
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What does ignorance have to do with it? The point is to choose the right source and get reliable and, most importantly, useful information. Instead of filling your head with nonsense, whether it comes from the TV or from "Pravda."
Well, he sincerely believes that he has chosen the right source. And everyone else is a Kremlin bot, sent to tempt him and lead him astray.
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How do you like Russia's group?)

Korea, Belgium, Algeria!


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How do you like Russia's group?)

Korea, Belgium, Algeria!
In the first game, we beat Algeria – everyone is thrilled. In the second game, we lose to Korea and are surprised, but we still believe. In the third game, even a draw would be acceptable for us.... You get the idea :D
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Not about Ukraine, but it might be relevant, who knows...

(C)

I don't know who's advocating for European integration in Khokhland. They say there are many genuine Ukrainian homeless people there, standing in the cold for food and 100 hryvnias a day. But it turns out that in our rallies on Bolotnaya Square, mostly well-off people participated. According to mobile operators' data, half of them had expensive iPhones.

A strange phenomenon: the rich are rioting.

Our highly intelligent analysts were racking their brains, wondering why the well-off need a revolution?

And they couldn't come up with anything more intelligent than to assume that the middle class has finally matured enough to understand freedom. They have everything, except freedom. So they are demanding this freedom. And even secular sluts have joined in. They shout: "I'll tear it up for freedom," like a communist tearing his shirt open before being shot!

What kind of freedom do they need? If they don't have enough freedom, they can go on vacation to Europe and breathe the air of freedom. (Which they do regularly).

What is the hopelessness that drives them to revolutionary activity?

The hopelessness lies in the fact that the parasitic layer (office workers and their offspring), which is especially numerous in the capital, does not see any prospects for grabbing an additional piece of the state funding in accordance with their growing needs. All the good jobs are occupied by those with connections. There are no vacancies in government structures. There are simply no prospects for increasing their well-being and raising their social status! And what, are they supposed to spend their whole lives driving Toyotas to the Czech Republic? Where are the Bentleys and the Maldives? The damned corrupt officials have taken them all! Where is the justice, I ask you?! Navalny isn't enough to deal with them!

After all, what is a revolution?

A revolution is, first of all, a million vacancies in government and administration!

And so they are bringing that bright day closer, as best they can. Not leaving the cold, but still wearing their "cool furs." They are anticipating...

And the people are passive. Because they perfectly understand that no revolution will elevate them, the cook, to the levers of power and the flow of money. This revolution is not for the cook.

And so, it's not interesting.
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Well, there are also poor people, just for the sake of having a crowd. And regarding the wealthy in Moscow – are there any others there?:)
In general, Vic is saying everything correctly; it's a top-down perspective, if you will. Not everyone can see things from this angle; those who are in the know understand, and those who aren't, I advise them to listen. I'm not defending Putin; I'm talking about the way things work in big politics. Yes, he has a lot of money, and he's grabbing as much as he can while he can, simply because he's also a human being, and no human being has enough money. But overthrowing Putin won't change much for the people, only for a handful of oligarchs, and the people can only hope for the natural evolution of improvements. Just don't bring Poland as an example; it has a somewhat different mentality.
I don't think Vic is a Kremlin bot; the probability of that is less than one in a thousand. Regarding the brainwashing factor – if you're not interested, just skip his posts, and everything will be fine.
If anyone feels offended, challenge him to a duel, but remember that he runs and works out:), and he also manages to develop very well.
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The problem is that the parasitic layer (office workers and their offspring), which is especially prevalent in the capital, doesn't see any prospects for grabbing an additional piece of the state funding pie to meet their growing needs. All the good jobs are occupied by those with connections. There are no vacancies in government structures. There are simply no prospects for increasing their well-being and improving their social status! And what, are they supposed to spend their whole lives driving Toyotas to the Czech Republic? Where are the Bentleys and the Maldives? Those damned corrupt officials have taken everything! Where is the justice, I ask you?! Navalny isn't enough to deal with them!


My opinion is that many people are tired of the lawlessness of the authorities, namely: officials, courts, corrupt police, and other corrupt officials. They are simply tired. But not everyone, and not to the point of death. For now...


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