The Crusade (autumn, winter 2013-14) — Tournament History online

theShevanesian

12 years ago

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11/13/2013 theShevanesian (red, Castle, Caitlyn, Clancy) def Dimast (blue, Conflux, Pasis, Luna) 6lm10a 133
The contact was almost established, but the Naga with high morale held their ground. Thanks for the game!

HellLighT

12 years ago

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14.11.2013 HellLighT(blue,ramp,roland,roland) def COBECTb(red,Tower,Cyra,Cyra) Anarchy 125

We started the game about 2 months ago. At first, regarding the game itself... not the best start; I lost a bunch of shooter blocks, an external dwelling of horses, but couldn't take it on the first week. By the second week, I picked up the pace a bit, recruited Ogre Magi, took a Dragon Fly Hive and a level 2 Griffin Conservatory, Roland with Earth, Offense, and Expert Diplomacy... and then this incident occurred: my opponent disappears at the most interesting moment when he attacked 20-49 Wyverns. I waited a long time for his turn, so I alt-tabbed into the game on someone else's turn and saw this joy. Soon he reappears and says "the power went out." Of course, there's no save. Oh well, the game was postponed; we couldn't catch each other for a long time. Eventually, the continuation didn't keep us waiting... I'm attaching screenshots. I had to explain for a long time that he should have repeated his turn, then he asked for my screenshot, and the final touch was conversations in ICQ about how he was probably checking how many Wyverns were there for that prison, considering that after the load, he didn't even reach them in one turn, and the next turn he brought reinforcements... That's what a shameless CONSCIENCE we have here, gentlemen. I ask you to take measures, up to and including a black mark.
p.s. Thank goodness that in the Tower faction, Alchemists and Mages have different skins; otherwise, I'd still be making excuses right now...

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COBECTb

12 years ago

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HellLighT

11/14/2013 HellLighT(blue,ramp,roland,roland) def COBECTb(red,Tower,Cyra,Cyra) Anarchy 125

We started the game about 2 months ago. Initially, it wasn't the best start; I lost a lot of ranged units and a few cavalry units, but I couldn't take anything on the first turn. On the second turn, I slightly improved my position, added some Ogre Mages, took a Labyrinth and a couple of dwellings, Roland with Earth Offense and Expert Diplomacy... and then this happened. My opponent disappeared at the most interesting moment when he attacked 20-49 Hive units. I waited for his turn for a long time, so I alt-tabbed to another game and saw this. Soon after, he appeared and said that "the power went out." Of course, there was no save. Well, the game was postponed, and we couldn't find a time to continue. Eventually, the continuation didn't take long... I'm attaching screenshots. It took a while to explain that he had to repeat his turn. Then he asked for my screenshot, and the final part was a conversation in ICQ where he claimed that he was probably checking how many Hive units were in the dungeon. Considering that after loading the save, he couldn't even reach them in one turn, and on the next turn, he brought reinforcements... This is such a shameless act, gentlemen. I ask you to take measures, up to and including a black mark.
P.S. Luckily, the Alchemists and Mages in the Tower faction have different skins, otherwise he would have been making excuses right now...

What happened 2 months ago, I have no idea. I can barely remember who I was playing as and what build I was using. My opponent didn't want to cut out a piece of the screenshot from 9 months ago; he just demanded that I attack the Hive units, saying that he would then demonstrate 100% proof. Whether I attacked the Hive units with my main hero and army or not, I don't remember, because it was 2 months ago. Even in the recent screenshot, it's clear that the main hero differs at least in his attire. And I could have attacked as a scout, especially since the area where I'm standing, slightly to the left, contains a goblin dungeon, and I wouldn't just attack 49 Hive units with 175 Gremlins, 4 Hive units, and 20 Basilisks, at least not without scouting the neighboring, easier dungeon to the left, which has completely free access. Also, I couldn't have attacked with my main hero simply because he wouldn't have reached that location on turn 124!
Therefore, I simply agreed to attack, given my forgetfulness about what happened 2 months ago, because my opponent promised to provide irrefutable proof that I did it. In case of the absence of 100% proof of my attack on the Hive units with my main hero and army, I warned that I would not agree with the result, and we would replay the game.
I ask the judges to investigate this situation and take appropriate measures.
P.S. I do not agree with the result. I believe that the situation is controversial and should be replayed using the autosave, as agreed with my opponent before the game. I agree to attack with a scout to scout and eliminate him.

Roger DAltavilla

12 years ago

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Dear participants and non-participants of the tournament, I understand that the issue of unfair play cannot leave anyone indifferent. I kindly ask you not to comment on the situation in the HellLighT vs COBECTb match, and not to clutter the thread. I think we will figure everything out soon.

HellLighT and COBECTb, if you want me to judge you, please provide save files and passwords; I will not draw conclusions based solely on screenshots. If not, please contact the Tournament Committee.

ColdRain

12 years ago

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I will sign up for the second part of the tournament. ColdRain 693797922 8mm6a 8 minutes.

HellLighT

12 years ago

Кстати да,
HellLighT
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Roger DAltavilla

12 years ago

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Tournament participant COBECTb, you are accused of unfair play.

In the match HellLighT vs COBECTb on day 124, during the red player's turn, a connection error occurred. At that moment, the red player's Wizard hero, Saira, with an army, attacked simple wyverns guarding the dungeon. After the disconnection and a break in the game, player COBECTb refused to repeat his turn, thereby violating the rules of the game on the heroesworld.ru forum, section V, Miscellaneous.

Player HellLighT provided the following evidence:
screenshot from 10.09.2013, 21-56 (HellLighT's time) showing:
1) the red player's Wizard hero is at the point of conflict with the wyverns guarding the dungeon
2) the red player's Alchemist hero is on the star path (magic power +1)

save file of the match: day 123 (red password 719, blue password vsc) showing:
1) the only Wizard hero available to the red player (taking into account the possibility of buying more heroes in the tavern), who can reach the wyverns guarding the dungeon, is Saira, level 9 (the red player's main hero)
2) to reach the wyverns, it is necessary to defeat 50 simple pegasus units.
3) in order for Saira to attack the wyvern, she must give up her troops after defeating 50 pegasus units. Two heroes can accept troops from Saira: the Alchemist, Iona, and the Ranger, Kirr. If the Alchemist, Iona, accepted the troops, he would not have time to move to the star path. If the Ranger, Kirr, accepted the troops, he would be visible in the screenshot.
All of the above proves that Saira attacked the wyvern with an army large enough to kill 50 simple pegasus units.

save file of the match: day 124, showing that the red player did not repeat his actions before the disconnection and break.

Tournament participant COBECTb, I am giving you the opportunity to explain your actions before 22.11.2013, 12:00 Moscow time. After that, I will make a decision regarding the match HellLighT vs COBECTb.

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COBECTb

12 years ago

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As I said before, I don't remember what happened 2 months ago. I could barely remember which faction I was playing and what build I was using. Whether I attacked the Hive on September 10, 2013, at 21:56, I naturally don't remember, but after thinking about it and assessing the situation, I simply couldn't have attacked them, so I didn't agree that I had attacked them. 1. Attacking the Hive that I have in my army and that I can still gather more of is not reasonable, because this is an Anarchy build and I naturally have expert diplomacy. The Hive should be joined! With any army, I would not attack them without first scouting their disposition. 2. The dungeon they were guarding was clearly not something I needed, because there is a dungeon guarded by more peaceful goblins to the left. The opponent demanded that I attack the Hive and said that he would provide 100% proof that I had attacked before (September 10, 2013, at 21:56). I attacked. I did not consider his proof to be 100%, and I did not have the opportunity to verify it myself, because the opponent did not give me the password. I asked the judges to sort it out. They decided that it was as I said. Well, if that's the case, then that's the case! I'm not arguing. We were just finishing a save from 2 months ago, where you don't remember anything anymore. But being in a sound mind, as I explained above, I would never have attacked these Hive under any circumstances; maybe I was drunk or NOT in a sound mind :D, I naturally don't remember what state I was in either :). I agree with the verdict. As for why I didn't attack 123, it's because I didn't make it in time, I naturally don't remember how I got there 2 months ago. Perhaps I didn't go directly, without visiting the Dwarven city beforehand, as I did this time. But the opponent didn't have any complaints about that. We agreed that I would attack the next day, which I did.

Roger DAltavilla

12 years ago

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As the tournament organizer, guided by the "Rules for Online Games in Heroes III," sporting ethics, and my own understanding of fairness, I have decided:
in the match HellLighT vs СОВЕСТЬ, the result will be recorded as: HellLighT (blue, Rampart, Roland, Roland) def. COBECTb (red, Tower, Cyra, Cyra) Anarchy 125
I want to emphasize that this is the minimum possible measure, and СОВЕСТЬ can remain in the Heroes community only if their future gameplay is impeccable in terms of the rules. They need to continue playing, preferably with streams of their games; under these conditions, I am willing to accept СОВЕСТЬ in my tournaments.
The decision can be appealed to the appeals committee.

P.S. Today was a difficult day. Peace to all...

The_

12 years ago

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14.11.2013 The_ (red, random, Tower, Daremyth, Luna) def MaxGor (blue, random, Citadel, Zubin, Gundula) Anarchy 200% 133.

It was not a typical Anarchy, nobody used the template's features, we just played it like a 200% template.

After taking two restarts, we got a game that worked (thanks to the opponent for granting 1 extra restart).

Castle doesn't have much gold, I buy a second hero on day two, the third one is Shakti, and the fourth is Luna. On the secondary I find an external dwelling of Nagas, I send Luna there at full speed, the roads are slow - making life a lot harder, on 117 I clear the dwelling, buy the Nagas, at home in the Fort there are Golems :D.
With the second Nagas in the Fort, Luna levels up wonderfully, burning everything in sight, 14 Champions for the cloak +2+2 and the necklace +1 speed, pre-max Dragon Fly Hive on low-level stacks, a box with 50+ Cerberi for 10k experience, gave Earth, Log, Weapon, Armor, Pathfinder. I head home to refill mana, and the options are either to go into the central treasure zone and farm there, or go through wasteland to the side treasure zones, I choose the center.
After buying everything at the Castle (8 Ducks, 9 Nagas, 250 Hats, low-level Mages, Golems, Gargoyles), I break through 100+ Wyverns with oil and walls (Luna has 12 SP). I run further along the path and come straight to the opponent's main, where Gundula is replenishing mana. I reach the Castle, - a surrender follows.

Thanks for the game!

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u2noob

12 years ago

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Roger DAltavilla

As a tournament organizer, guided by the "Rules for Online Games in Heroes III," sporting ethics, and my own understanding of fairness, I have decided: ...
CONSCIENCE can remain in the Heroes community only if its further gameplay is impeccable in terms of the rules. ...

Although Conscience is to blame, I think you are taking on too much responsibility.

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Roger DAltavilla

12 years ago

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u2noob

Even though Conscience is to blame, I think you're taking on too much.

I'm not taking on anything; both players agreed that I would be the arbitrator in their dispute. I didn't insist on being the judge. They asked me to mediate, and I did. Let's leave it at that.

HellLighT

12 years ago

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Even though Conscience is to blame, I think you're taking on too much.

The person did a great job, spending many hours listening and considering, as well as making a detailed analysis of the situation and analyzing the save files, even though he is not a member of the AC, nor did he claim to be a judge (although, of course, he didn't claim anyone was a tournament judge), and you are reacting so aggressively to a rather lenient decision that he was asked to make. I think you're taking on too much; next time, think before you... blurt something out.

Roger DAltavilla

12 years ago

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Attention, Group 2! BA/IEHOK requests that mandatory game dates be set. Please, all his opponents: Lim4, Satyr, Mar, Frol off, write to me in ICQ or in the tournament thread with a time that is convenient for you (Moscow time). It would be good to receive this information from you today. If this is not done, I will schedule the games at a time that is convenient for me.

The tournament organizer has been switched to paranoid surveillance mode. :smile47:

BA/IEHOK's working ICQ is 693078206, in addition to the main one.

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u2noob

12 years ago

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HellLighT

This person put in a lot of work, spending many hours listening, considering, and thoroughly analyzing the situation, as well as examining the save files. Although he is not a member of the Arbitration Committee (AK) and did not present himself as a judge (though, of course, he didn't declare anyone as a tournament judge), you are reacting so aggressively to a rather reasonable decision that he was asked to make. I think you are overstepping. Next time, think before you... blurt something out.

Dear sir, I think *you* are the one "blurting things out," but I expressed my opinion that saying that the decision "may remain within the Heroes community" is too much for him. Even considering the enormous amount of work he put in.

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