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ZveroBoy

19 years ago

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Happy New Year 2007 to all you monsters!

Attention!

I invite everyone who wishes to take part in an OFF-LINE TOURNAMENT
For the game «Heroes of Might and Magic IV» played on the map «Deep forest»
The tournament starts today (01.01.2007). The goal of the tournament is to capture all cities.

Tournament Rules:
1. The game is played ONLY on the version Heroes of Might and Magic IV: Winds of War.
2. Using cheat codes during the final Walkthrough of a save is prohibited.
3. Restarting or any other modification of the starting save is prohibited.
4. Entering a boat without losing a turn (using the spacebar) is prohibited.
5. The use of "completely Dead external dwellings" on the battlefield is prohibited.
(I will explain in more detail what this is for those who don't understand: I consider a "Dead external dwelling" to be
a COMPLETELY closed area, for example with rocks or logs, which contains
a small island for a unit, such as a fairy, harpy, vampire, etc.
That is, a place that cannot be entered by land by a unit of the smallest
size (3x3) and can only be accessed by air—a kind of natural fortress. Having such an external dwelling, one fairy could beat a hundred Black Dragons and win an impossible battle; to avoid such situations, I prohibit "Dead external dwellings" in this tournament.)
6. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED.
(Full use of grave technologies including raising the corpse of a hero
using the spacebar, leveling up the corpse on crystals, wheels, and establishments,
acceleration, splitting armies for transport through gaps, an unlimited number
of heroes on the map beyond eight, and so on.

A "not dead external dwelling," or more accurately a semi-open one, is permitted in this tournament.
By a semi-open external dwelling, I mean a place where a unit or Hero can
enter on foot, while the attacking monsters, regardless of their size, must be able to reach the Hero or unit to strike them (the point of a semi-open external dwelling is to limit the number of monsters attacking you simultaneously). Besides, it's not right for a Hero to hide in an external dwelling while the enemies are wasting themselves on whatever. Our Heroes fight with open visors.

In this tournament, results are evaluated with priority given to time—i.e., the faster, the better. Then come points and gold.

Official end date of the tournament 25.02.2007. UPDATED
Winning saves can, of course, be sent earlier—that is, at any time—but
no later than the official deadline.

Requirements for the final save:
1. The final save should require only one action from me for victory (pressing the auto-battle button if victory in the game is achieved by winning a battle, or pressing the end turn button if victory is achieved by passing the turn).
2. The save should be named with your nickname and the number of days spent on the
Walkthrough, for example: (ZveroBoy18, where ZveroBoy is the player's nick and 18 is the number of days); it is also highly desirable to compress the save with WinRar before sending.
3. I ask all participants to make and keep saves at the end of each game day and after every ambiguous battle (1 hero against 100 angels, 1 fairy against 300 monsters ...)

Please send winning saves here: ZvereBoy@mail.ru

The final list of results will be posted on March 3-4. Also,
the winner will be required to provide a day-by-day description of the Walkthrough.
It would also be good if the monsters who decide to take part in
this tournament notified me by email in a couple of lines or left
a message in this forum thread, so that I can publish an approximate
list of participants to further fire the imagination of our esteemed audience.

Well, that's all; download the starting save and good luck in the game!

If you have any questions, write them here, I will answer.

Answering questions:
Generally, "external dwellings" are essentially an unfixed game bug and introduce a severe imbalance into the combat system, which is why I want to hold the tournament in more natural combat conditions—let's see what comes of it. Using a forbidden external dwelling, for example, one could easily wipe out the Nomads hanging around the "Mercenary Camp" on the first day by hiring a Necromancer with the Poison spell, and at the same time take out Tigers and wolves in the "Wooded Glen" by poisoning the monsters and hiding in an external dwelling that neither nomads nor tigers can enter because they are larger than the Hero. So try dealing with the monsters face to face without an external dwelling; there is a lot of pleasure in that too.

I also forgot to announce immediately that it IS PERMITTED to discuss the possibilities of completing this save in real time—that is, right during the tournament you can express your thoughts on strategy and tactics development in this forum thread. For example, if someone wishes, they can describe their actions for, say, the first game day (Something like: Sandro leveled up to 6, Level 2 Death Magic studied, Leprechauns and Fairies wiped out, Golden Armor obtained,
18 gold coins accumulated, and so on). Why is all this needed?
Usually, on Hero resources, discussing current tournaments is forbidden. To me,
it always seemed that playing alone is a bit boring, which is why I want
participants to exchange their thoughts; this is useful for sparking interest in
Heroes-4 among beginning players and, accordingly, for attracting them to the game.

Final table of current player results for the Deep_forest Tournament as of 06.03.2007
№	NICK	DAYS	POINTS	GOLD	RANK IN TOURNAMENT
0	ZveroBoy	10	1717	59746	Tournament Host
1	IronAxe	13	1735	105055	1
2	Psixxx	27	-	-	2
3	OptiMAL	53	1332	57694	3
4	Sage	153	-	-	4
5	Спай	-	-	-	-
6	AlexeyPank	-	-	-	-
7	AndersonAD	-	-	-	-
8	Alex R	-	-	-	-
9	CJLaB9IHUH	-	-	-	-
10	-	-	-	-	-
11	-	-	-	-	-
12	-	-	-	-	-
Congratulations to the Tournament winner IronAxe on the VICTORY!!!
Attention all players! As of 26.02.2007, I am granting this Tournament indefinite status, which means that if a player is found who can improve the winner's result, their name will be entered into this table and the result will be updated. Saves can be sent at any time to my email address. Thanks to everyone who spent their time playing in my tournament. Sincerely, ZveroBoy.

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ZveroBoy

19 years ago

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IronAxe;69614

Try looking here:
/topic/1906/

Post 31 in the relevant topic. VDV provides a link to a brief document there. And RAPER has attached an entire HTML tutorial.

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I finished the Walkthrough and will send you the save file today. I just didn't understand which version you used as a basis for defining the DAYS of the Walkthrough. If you remember, in the fourth game, the actual number of days and what is shown in the table are different. When you talk about your 10 days, which option did you mean?

Thanks for the information, Zhel, I read it a bit and still managed to attach the results table somehow, but it seems like I did it badly because there’s too much free space between the text, and the table was supposed to be green. In short, I’m no programmer, but nevertheless, the results in the table are correct.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE VICTORY!!!

Now, give me the description of the Walkthrough.

I counted the days including the current one, so you actually have thirteen days that haven’t ended yet, but I counted it completely, and I also had only nine full days pass, and on the tenth day, I captured everyone; that’s why it says ten days. By the way, the in-game table shows time in weeks, not days.

Well, that’s all. I declare the Tournament open indefinitely; if anyone wants to play, let them play and send save files; I will update the results. THANK YOU ALL FOR PLAYING.

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OptiMAL

19 years ago

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Excellent!!!! :smile03: :smile03: :smile03: :smile03: Thank you, Zveroboy, for the perpetual tournament.

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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ZveroBoy;69910

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE VICTORY!!!
Also, I'd like to see a description of your Walkthrough.

You're kidding :) You should say congratulations on the second place :) And regarding the description, who knows - I'll jot down a brief summary a little later, and even then, only for the second half, when I was already "in the boat," because we discussed the Walkthrough of the first part here in the posts :) It would be much more interesting to see your description of the Walkthrough. But since you declared the tournament indefinite, who knows :) It's worth considering whether to even publish detailed descriptions - maybe people will show up and want to complete it themselves without using someone else's descriptions. With them available in the thread, it will be difficult to discourage curious players - clarify the point about descriptions again - I'll remain silent for now :)

ZveroBoy;69910

I counted the days, including the current one, so you actually have the thirteenth day.
It's not finished yet, but I counted it completely, and I also have nine full days, and on the tenth day, I conquered everyone, which is why it says that.

I agree - that's correct! But reflect this in the first post, where the rules are, so there are no questions - not everyone will read the entire thread.

ZveroBoy;69910

Ten days in the in-game table, by the way, the time is displayed in weeks, not in days.

The RECORDS table displays the time in DAYS. And there's one day less, which is incorrect. Reflect this in the rules of the indefinite tournament.

ZveroBoy;69910

Well, I guess that's it. I'm declaring the tournament indefinite now. If anyone wants to play, they can send me their saves, and I'll update the results.

Dude - fix the table - and put me in 2nd place. You don't have to put 1st place in your column. But put me in 2nd!!!

ZveroBoy;69910

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR PLAYING.

And thank you for organizing it! And maybe you could add another map to the indefinite tournament - or is it too early for that?

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PS.
ZveroBoy! Try to fix the table issue by closing the tbody tags first, then the table tag itself. Look at the table of my rating - the Creator fixed the table there - now everything is fine ;)

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ZveroBoy

19 years ago

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IronAxe;69943

You're kidding, right? You should write "congratulations on second place." And regarding the description, who knows – I'll jot down a brief summary later, especially the second half, after I've finished. We discussed the walkthrough of the first part in the posts here. It's much more interesting to see your description of the playthrough. But since you declared the tournament indefinite, who knows? It's worth considering whether to even post detailed descriptions – maybe people will show up and want to play without using them. With them available in the thread, it will be difficult to stop curious players. Clarify the point about descriptions again – I'll remain silent for now. I agree – that's correct! But reflect this in the first post, where the rules are, so there are no questions. Not everyone will read the entire thread. The RECORDS table shows the results in DAYS. And it shows one day less, which is incorrect. Reflect this in the rules for the indefinite tournament. Damn – fix the table – put me in second place. You don't have to put yourself in first place in your column. But put me in second! And thank you for organizing it! And maybe you could add another map to the indefinite tournament – or is it too early? Added 24 minutes later P.S. Zveroboy! Try to fix the table issue by closing the tbody tags first, then the table tag. Look at the table of my rating – the Creator fixed the table there – now everything is fine.

Zhel, I can't write that you're in second place; you won this tournament, at least until someone sends a file with a result of 12 days, or at least 13 days and 1736 points. So, for now, you're the winner, and everything is legitimate here. My result isn't included in the tournament; I'm the HOST and played for research purposes, so everything is fine; don't worry. Soon, OptiMAL will send a save file for 12 days, and then we'll see who won. The description should still be day-by-day, even if it's just a brief summary, and you should post it in the thread; this is written in the rules in the very first post, so you need to follow it. I'll also post my description, but a little later. I'll fix the day count in the title sheet, but also a little later. Right now, I can't figure out the table; I don't understand why there's such a large empty space between the text and the table. I fixed the tags and closed them as you said, but the empty space hasn't disappeared. :mad:

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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ZveroBoy;69959

I'm just saying, I can't say you came in second; you won this tournament, at least until someone sends a file with the results for 12 days, or at least 13 days, with 1736 points. So, for now, you're the winner, and everything is fair here. My result isn't included in the tournament because I'm the HOST and played for research purposes, so everything is fine; don't worry. Soon, OptiMAL will send a save file for 12 days, and then we'll see who won. :)

Just, who cares about my daily description when you have a winning Walkthrough? Even if it was done for experimental purposes.

ZveroBoy;69959

The description should still be daily, even if it's just a brief one, and it should be posted in the thread; this is written in the rules in the very first post, and it needs to be followed. I'll also post my description, but a little later...

Even though I don't see the point, since you say it's necessary, I'll do it, but I'm warning you – it will be a daily description, but very brief. Let's say the reason is this: since the tournament is indefinite, I don't want to give my potential rivals a chance to overtake me. Why dig my own grave? You're the Hive, not me

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Twilight

19 years ago

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IronAxe;70133

Even though I don't see the point, since you say it's needed, I'll do it, but I'm warning you – it will be rudimentary, but very brief. :)

Why so sad, why so brief? Are all the details described in the "manual"? :)

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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Twilight;70501

Why so sad, and why so short? Are all the details described in the "manual"? :)

Wow, what people :) So many years have passed. Come play in Kanigem's tournament with us in a group of four if they decide to run it here. And you're right about the manual. But as you can see, here, Zveroboy went a little further – he banned the "nychka" tactic. But the four-player game isn't very popular here yet – there aren't enough people. And later, we plan to gradually reveal all the tricks from the manual here. And you still insist that we were wrong :) But the fact remains:

Kyle

19 years ago

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Ahem, may I ask... what is this mysterious "manual," and where can I find it?

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OptiMAL

19 years ago

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Okay, I finished the save game. It wasn't very good (67 days)...:D I initially leveled up the hero incorrectly, which slowed down the game. I only realized this after I killed the Nature Guardian.

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Psixxx

19 years ago

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Congratulations, IronAxe. I completed it myself in 27 turns. There was no point in submitting it.

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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Kyle;70565

ahem, may I be so bold as to ask... what is this mysterious "guide"? and where can it be found?I wouldn't advise you to openly publish this guide here without preparation. Back in the day, when we were banned on the portal with Under, we warned Gorbik that if he didn't lift the ban, we would make a counter-move. That move was a mass mailing of our guide to players on the portal. It would take too long to tell the whole story, and is it even necessary since almost no one here plays 4ru? Let Zveroboy handle this now. It's his topic. I'm tired of it :) BUT .... HP will probably split next week. If so—and please don't consider this advertising—heroesportal.net will be Gorbik's site. And an identical site will be at hommportal.net—that will be Master Pool's site. So, after the Schism happens, let's return to the conversation about the guide. I'll give my opinion. Personally, I consider Pool's site a friendly resource. You know my attitude toward Gorbik :)

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OptiMAL;70596

That's it, I beat the save :) Though not very well (in 67 days :( )... :D At first, I leveled the hero incorrectly, and that slowed down the game. I only realized it after I killed the nature-dweller :)The main thing is that you finished it. Alright, wait a bit for our walkthroughs; maybe you'll want to try beating it again using a guide ;) Right now there's no time due to major events on a resource friendly to us :)

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Psixxx;70621

Congrats IronAxe.
I did it myself in 27. There was no point in sending it.Thanks, but if anything—send the saves. Zveroboy declared the tournament open-ended. And he proved that my result could still be improved by another 3 days :)

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Kyle

19 years ago

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IronAxe;70626

I wouldn't advise you to openly publish this guide here without any preparation.

And I don't even want to publish it... I just wanted to take a look, learn something... because I enjoy playing Heroes 4, but I'm a very weak player... so I want to improve my skills...

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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Kyle;70648

I don't even want to publish it... I just wanted to take a look... learn something... because I love playing Heroes 4, but I'm a very weak player... so I want to improve my skills...

Well, to be honest, this guide is designed for players who have some basic knowledge and can work with software. If you want this legendary document, I can look for it and send it to your email.

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Twilight

19 years ago

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Kyle;70565

Ahem, may I ask... what is this mysterious "manual" you're referring to? And where can I find it?

It's nothing mysterious. It's a guide on how to hack save files in Heroes of Might and Magic IV.

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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Twilight;70686

There's nothing mysterious about it. It's a manual on how to hack saves in Heroes 4.

So, is it needed? Veteran Heroes 4 players used to be masters of this technique long before us. Now, many players probably know how to do it. I wouldn't say that they all follow the same manual. The manual is just the first step. But Twilight is keeping something quiet here: it might not even be hacking saves, but rather hacking long battles based on morale in Heroes 4, i.e., those battles that are known in advance to be won, but require, say, 6 hours of real time. That is, 6 hours of continuously flying around with fairies and slowly chipping away at a slow-moving unit :) This is quite simple. Do you think that experienced players on the portal actually complete such battles legitimately? This battle is completed using a cheat code. Cheat codes in Heroes 4 are not detectable. Everything matches the description. The battle is actually won. If additional saves are needed for verification, they can be created later. While on the portal, I suggested in a private message to the administrator that such battles should be allowed to be completed by all players using a cheat code officially, because not everyone, for example, like Sir Twilight, knows how to hack saves skillfully. This is roughly why I was banned, although no one caught me cheating on saves or based on the description, and I claimed then and still claim now that I did not use cheat codes, but completed the battles honestly, knowing that someone else was completing such battles with cheats. I was waiting for them to allow everyone to do this officially, but I ended up getting banned :)
But now, if anyone plays Heroes 4 and knows all this, they don't engage in such nonsense anymore – I mean, they cheat in such battles silently.