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ZveroBoy

1/1/2007 3:32 PM UTC

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Happy New Year 2007 to all you monsters!

Attention!

I invite everyone who wishes to take part in an OFF-LINE TOURNAMENT
For the game «Heroes of Might and Magic IV» played on the map «Deep forest»
The tournament starts today (01.01.2007). The goal of the tournament is to capture all cities.

Tournament Rules:
1. The game is played ONLY on the version Heroes of Might and Magic IV: Winds of War.
2. Using cheat codes during the final Walkthrough of a save is prohibited.
3. Restarting or any other modification of the starting save is prohibited.
4. Entering a boat without losing a turn (using the spacebar) is prohibited.
5. The use of "completely Dead external dwellings" on the battlefield is prohibited.
(I will explain in more detail what this is for those who don't understand: I consider a "Dead external dwelling" to be
a COMPLETELY closed area, for example with rocks or logs, which contains
a small island for a unit, such as a fairy, harpy, vampire, etc.
That is, a place that cannot be entered by land by a unit of the smallest
size (3x3) and can only be accessed by air—a kind of natural fortress. Having such an external dwelling, one fairy could beat a hundred Black Dragons and win an impossible battle; to avoid such situations, I prohibit "Dead external dwellings" in this tournament.)
6. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED.
(Full use of grave technologies including raising the corpse of a hero
using the spacebar, leveling up the corpse on crystals, wheels, and establishments,
acceleration, splitting armies for transport through gaps, an unlimited number
of heroes on the map beyond eight, and so on.

A "not dead external dwelling," or more accurately a semi-open one, is permitted in this tournament.
By a semi-open external dwelling, I mean a place where a unit or Hero can
enter on foot, while the attacking monsters, regardless of their size, must be able to reach the Hero or unit to strike them (the point of a semi-open external dwelling is to limit the number of monsters attacking you simultaneously). Besides, it's not right for a Hero to hide in an external dwelling while the enemies are wasting themselves on whatever. Our Heroes fight with open visors.

In this tournament, results are evaluated with priority given to time—i.e., the faster, the better. Then come points and gold.

Official end date of the tournament 25.02.2007. UPDATED
Winning saves can, of course, be sent earlier—that is, at any time—but
no later than the official deadline.

Requirements for the final save:
1. The final save should require only one action from me for victory (pressing the auto-battle button if victory in the game is achieved by winning a battle, or pressing the end turn button if victory is achieved by passing the turn).
2. The save should be named with your nickname and the number of days spent on the
Walkthrough, for example: (ZveroBoy18, where ZveroBoy is the player's nick and 18 is the number of days); it is also highly desirable to compress the save with WinRar before sending.
3. I ask all participants to make and keep saves at the end of each game day and after every ambiguous battle (1 hero against 100 angels, 1 fairy against 300 monsters ...)

Please send winning saves here: ZvereBoy@mail.ru

The final list of results will be posted on March 3-4. Also,
the winner will be required to provide a day-by-day description of the Walkthrough.
It would also be good if the monsters who decide to take part in
this tournament notified me by email in a couple of lines or left
a message in this forum thread, so that I can publish an approximate
list of participants to further fire the imagination of our esteemed audience.

Well, that's all; download the starting save and good luck in the game!

If you have any questions, write them here, I will answer.

Answering questions:
Generally, "external dwellings" are essentially an unfixed game bug and introduce a severe imbalance into the combat system, which is why I want to hold the tournament in more natural combat conditions—let's see what comes of it. Using a forbidden external dwelling, for example, one could easily wipe out the Nomads hanging around the "Mercenary Camp" on the first day by hiring a Necromancer with the Poison spell, and at the same time take out Tigers and wolves in the "Wooded Glen" by poisoning the monsters and hiding in an external dwelling that neither nomads nor tigers can enter because they are larger than the Hero. So try dealing with the monsters face to face without an external dwelling; there is a lot of pleasure in that too.

I also forgot to announce immediately that it IS PERMITTED to discuss the possibilities of completing this save in real time—that is, right during the tournament you can express your thoughts on strategy and tactics development in this forum thread. For example, if someone wishes, they can describe their actions for, say, the first game day (Something like: Sandro leveled up to 6, Level 2 Death Magic studied, Leprechauns and Fairies wiped out, Golden Armor obtained,
18 gold coins accumulated, and so on). Why is all this needed?
Usually, on Hero resources, discussing current tournaments is forbidden. To me,
it always seemed that playing alone is a bit boring, which is why I want
participants to exchange their thoughts; this is useful for sparking interest in
Heroes-4 among beginning players and, accordingly, for attracting them to the game.

Final table of current player results for the Deep_forest Tournament as of 06.03.2007
№	NICK	DAYS	POINTS	GOLD	RANK IN TOURNAMENT
0	ZveroBoy	10	1717	59746	Tournament Host
1	IronAxe	13	1735	105055	1
2	Psixxx	27	-	-	2
3	OptiMAL	53	1332	57694	3
4	Sage	153	-	-	4
5	Спай	-	-	-	-
6	AlexeyPank	-	-	-	-
7	AndersonAD	-	-	-	-
8	Alex R	-	-	-	-
9	CJLaB9IHUH	-	-	-	-
10	-	-	-	-	-
11	-	-	-	-	-
12	-	-	-	-	-
Congratulations to the Tournament winner IronAxe on the VICTORY!!!
Attention all players! As of 26.02.2007, I am granting this Tournament indefinite status, which means that if a player is found who can improve the winner's result, their name will be entered into this table and the result will be updated. Saves can be sent at any time to my email address. Thanks to everyone who spent their time playing in my tournament. Sincerely, ZveroBoy.

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IronAxe

2/13/2007 9:05 PM UTC

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OptiMAL;67438

I still don't understand how you got Vampires on the fifth day. Fairies join my army if Sandor is in it. On the third day, I don't reach the ruins because I'm standing near the sawmill with Solmyr and the fairies. And I only fight the Medusas on the 5th day (without Vampire Touch). But where do I get the money from???

Zveroboy doesn't even use Vampires in his Walkthrough. So he doesn't build them.
Where do you get the money? In my opinion, there's enough to build and even buy one, or even two. I don't remember exactly anymore, but I reached the ruins on the fourth day. Moreover, the hero died there, but the Imp survived. He got the money and transferred the tomb to the Fortress. On the fifth day, my hero went to the port on the 5th, 6th, and 7th turns. At the end of the seventh turn, he boarded the ship. But I didn't buy the Order Champion and didn't take the fairies.

Zveroboy will tell you about the rest - he usually boards the ship on the 6th day, and now maybe on the 5th. He has a lot of experience with this map, as one of our mutual friends says.

OptiMAL;67438

(Cleared the area on the first day, first Solmyr stole the armor, gave it to Sandor, and they went to the area, and then to the fairies, leaving 30 of them there.)
Why doesn't Solmyr charm the fairies himself, but only with Sandor?

Apparently, the army doesn't have enough power, and Sandor adds to it. Try an experiment - buy all the troops and give them to Solmyr, and don't take Sandor, and see what happens.

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ZveroBoy;67422

Which Fortress should I capture, the Nature Fortress or the Barbarian Vampire Fortress?
No, but I have a lot of money and many different potions. I'll think about it a little and then start the final stage of the operation for a ten-day Walkthrough. Come on, Zhel, you should also complete your Walkthrough.:)

The Kanighem tournament has now begun. It's a one-on-one tournament. I replayed it three times - that's enough - I'll take whatever result I got. I just finished. Now I'll try to complete my Walkthrough here. I still don't have time to replay - I'll continue with my version for the quorum :)
Will you participate in the Kanighem tournament when the 4-player stage begins? I don't know for sure yet if there will even be a 4-player stage. But if there is?

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Inquisitor

2/14/2007 5:07 AM UTC

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I don't understand one thing. Why are you discussing the walkthrough of the tournament before it's finished? Then it's not a tournament, but a collective walkthrough of a map.

Alliance of Light — лидер клана (список кланов на HW) :)

ФЛУДОВСКИЕ ССЫЛКИ! — сообщить о бесполезной теме/сообщении.

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Alex_R

2/14/2007 7:02 AM UTC

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Inquisitor;67470

I don't understand one thing. Why are you discussing the walkthrough of the tournament before it finishes? Then it's not a tournament, but a collective walkthrough of a map.

Read the rules to the end...

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ZveroBoy

2/14/2007 1:03 PM UTC

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OptiMAL;67438

I still don't understand how you got vampires on day 5. Fairies join my army if Sandryk is in it. On day 3, I don't reach the ruins because I'm standing near the sawmill with Solimr and the fairies. And only on day 5 do I fight the medusae (without Vampire Touch). But where do I get the money??? (I broke through the ravine back on day 1; first I stole the armor with Solimr, gave it to Sandryk and went to the ravine, and then for the fairies, leaving 30 of them there.)
Why doesn't Solimr Charm the fairies himself, but only with Sandryk?

Everything is simple with the vampires, the main thing is to have enough money. Look for yourself: in the past, on the first day I built Magic2, on the second day Magic3, on the third day Magic4, on the fourth
Day the Kennel, and on the fifth you can build the Mausoleum and buy two Vampires there. Money for all this can be obtained in various places, for example, in the Orc Treasury, but for that you need to break through the upper squad of medusae, and that's not particularly related to Sandryk's main path, so I just accumulated the cash along the main road, including the Graveyard.
I also took chests for gold, but then I realized that building Vamps just slows me down, and therefore I gave up on them, and naturally on the Kennel too. :)

To make friends with fairies, the total experience weight of the Mage's army with the charm ability must exceed the total weight of the fairy army by three times. For example, the experience of 66 fairies is 462.
Then the experience weight of my army must be at least 1386 units. A level 2 hero weighs 300 units, a level 5 hero weighs 600, meaning two heroes weigh 900. To make the fairies join, you need to hire more troops for 486 units; in imps that's 98 units, in skeletons 81. Now think about where to get that many. Specifically in my case, I did manage to make the fairies join without Sandro, however, there were only 35 fairies and Solimr attacked them with 50 skeletons and 19 imps; five fairies joined him, but that's quite enough to play comfortably. :D

I actually get into the boat on the sixth day, although it seems it's possible on the fifth, and then comes the most interesting part: there are plenty of options, choose whichever you want, but in my opinion, on this map, sailors rule, so it's better to pay attention to upgrading seamanship from the first days. :)

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IronAxe;67455

The Kanigem tournament has just started. A tournament on HoMM1 is underway. I replayed it three times—enough—whatever happened, happened. Just finished. Now I'll try to finish my walkthrough here. I won't have time to replay it anyway—I'll continue my version for the quorum :)
And will you participate in the Kanigem tournament when the HoMM4 stage begins? To be honest, I don't know for sure yet—if there will even be a stage for the 4th. But if so?

I will naturally play in the Kanigem tournament for the fourth; the main thing is for them to decide on the rules early, because in the first ones you guys had something like a lot of confusion, it's hard to figure out what's what. Everything should be understood easily and not contradict common sense, or will the rules be uniform for all versions of Heroes? Well, in general, I'll definitely play, although I realize I won't gain a high rating since I won't participate in other parts of the tournament besides the fourth, but that's not important—I'll play just for the victory, I love the fourth. :cool:

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Inquisitor;67470

There's one thing I don't understand. Why are you discussing the walkthrough of the tournament before it has finished? That's not a tournament then, but a collective walkthrough of the map.

Here is my answer.
In any case, players use more or less similar walkthrough tactics one way or another, and sometimes communicate with each other privately discussing certain ideas. So I decided: why not just allow open discussion since it's happening anyway? Moreover, it's impossible to know exactly how many points a particular player will score; even if all players finish the save in the same number of days, for example, in 10, the points will still be different. And even if the points coincide, the amount of gold will be different, and that's exactly the order in which the winner will be determined. That is, the element of uncertainty regarding the final result (which is the main characteristic of a tournament) is preserved until the very last move of the hero.
Therefore, I still believe that it is indeed a Tournament, but true, with elements of collective discussion (one does not hinder the other). And the final argument in favor of this type of tournament is that, as far as I know, there are no other such tournaments anywhere, while there are many with a ban on discussion. :)

So I suggest everyone try playing; you won't lose anything anyway, but on the contrary, you'll only gain new gaming experience. :D

I should probably also make a table on the title page like VDV_forever has, with a list of players who are playing in the tournament so that the participants are roughly visible.
I'll organize this miracle later! :)

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Inquisitor

2/14/2007 3:03 PM UTC

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I don't understand. What's the point of playing through a tournament map if all its features have been discussed and the best strategy has been found? P.S. Even in a private game, no one will reveal every detail (due to competition). So, the interest remains.

Alliance of Light — лидер клана (список кланов на HW) :)

ФЛУДОВСКИЕ ССЫЛКИ! — сообщить о бесполезной теме/сообщении.

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IronAxe

2/14/2007 6:35 PM UTC

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I don't understand. What's the point of completing a tournament map if all its features have been discussed and the best option has been found? PS Even in private, no one will reveal everything down to the smallest detail (competition). So, the interest remains.

:) And it's easy to see. Try completing this map in 10 days. At least to see if you can do it yourself :) And at the same time, outperform Beastmaster in terms of experience points, oil, or money. You know, in card games, they sometimes play with open hands too. Of course, the one who reveals his hand takes more risks :) but that means he's confident in his abilities. Or maybe Beastmaster is provoking players. He's saying, "We've discussed everything already - who else will send a final save with a 10-day completion?" :) I doubt there will be many such saves :)

Inquisitor;67653

I don't understand. What's the point of completing a tournament map if all its features have been discussed and the best option has been found?

The thing is, when Beastmaster completes it in 10 days, he'll think that the best option is 9 days, he just hasn't found it yet. PS. OptiMALy: I messed up in my previous post; I got into the boat on the 8th day. That is, I ran to the boat for 4 days. Beastmaster confused me with his options, and I also got distracted here on One-Handed (Caningham's tournament)

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ZveroBoy

2/16/2007 8:07 AM UTC

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IronAxe;67735

:) The thing is, when Beastmaster completes the game in 10 days, he'll think that 9 days is the best option; it's just that no one has found it yet.

Yesterday, I finally managed to complete it in a rough version in 10 days, meaning
at the end of the tenth day, I managed to capture all the Fortresses. At first, there was
a problem with the Nature Fortress; I initially wanted to conquer it with one hero,
but then I changed my strategy and sent two. After that, everything went smoothly.:)

Now, I'll finish the tenth day in a polished playthrough, maximizing my score to get the best possible result, and I'll also take care of the Golden Path more thoroughly. Overall, I should finish it this weekend.:D
Then, of course, I'll tell you all about how it went in the thread:eek:

How are things going with you, Zhel? Are you finishing your save, or what? It's also unclear what the other players in the thread are doing; are they playing, or not? The first trial tournament is coming to an end soon. Will we continue after that? Are there any interested parties? But in general, I have another idea related to this tournament; I'll write it down later. It seems like a good idea, and the monsters should be interested.:)

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IronAxe

2/16/2007 6:48 PM UTC

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ZveroBoy;68036

How are you doing? Are you finishing the save, or not? It's also unclear if other players are participating or not, as they aren't posting. The first trial tournament is ending soon. Will we continue, or are there interested parties? In any case, I have another idea for this tournament; I'll share it later. It seems like a good idea, and the monsters should be interested. :)

I'll try to send the save if nothing goes wrong before the holidays, and I don't have much left to do. In general, if you'

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CJLaB9IHUH

2/19/2007 1:11 PM UTC

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Hello everyone, and welcome to the portal. I'm new here. I don't yet know how well and how intensely people play here, and who I'll have to compete with for the top spots. I'll try to participate and hope I won't be disappointed.

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IronAxe

2/19/2007 3:30 PM UTC

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CJLaB9IHUH;68641

Hello everyone, participants of the portal. I'm a newbie.
I don't know yet how well and strongly people play here, and who I will have to fight for the winning places. I'll try to participate and not be disappointed.

Come on, Slavs, give it your all! Good luck in the tournament. The preliminary results are already known, and according to the rules of this tournament, you can discuss everything here as the game progresses, so read the thread to get a general idea of the opponents.

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CJLaB9IHUH

2/19/2007 10:42 PM UTC

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IronAxe;68654

Come on, Slavs, give it your all! Good luck in the tournament. The preliminary results are already known, and according to the rules of this tournament, you can discuss everything here as the game progresses, so read the thread to get a general idea of your opponents.

Thank you for the encouragement. :smile44:

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ZveroBoy

2/22/2007 3:58 PM UTC

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Might be a bit off-topic, but maybe someone can help. :)
I can't figure out how to insert a table into a post. I wanted to add
a summary table of the tournament results, similar to the list used by
VDV_forever, but I don't see any option for that in the editor. If anyone knows how to do it, please let me know:confused:

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IronAxe

2/24/2007 1:19 PM UTC

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ZveroBoy;69327

I can't figure out how to insert a table into a post. I wanted to add a summary table with the results of the tournament, similar to the list that VDV_forever has, but I don't see any way to do this in the editor. If anyone knows how, please let me know:confused:

Try looking here:
/topic/1906/

Post 31 in the relevant thread. VDV provides a link to brief documentation there. And RAPER attached an entire HTML tutorial there.

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ZveroBoy;68036

Yesterday, I finally completed it in draft form in 10 days...
How are you doing, Zhel? Are you finishing the save or not? Something else is unclear too – other players aren’t posting either; it’s not clear if they are playing or not. The first trial tournament will end soon. Will we continue further, or are there interested parties? But generally, I have another idea for this tournament; I’ll write about it later. It seems like a good idea, and monsters should be interested.:)

I finished the Walkthrough and will send you the save today. However, I didn't understand which version you used as a basis when determining the DAYS of completion. If you remember, in Heroes IV, the actual number of days and what the table shows are different. When you talk about your 10 days, which version did you mean?

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OptiMAL

2/24/2007 4:35 PM UTC

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Zveroboy, will the tournament be extended? I had some computer issues and had to pause my participation for a bit.

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IronAxe

2/24/2007 4:54 PM UTC

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OptiMAL;69689

Zveroboy, will the tournament be extended? I had some computer issues and had to pause the game for a bit.:o

Zveroboy probably doesn't care either – he already stated in the rules that the deadline is February 25th, and he already extended it once. So, the tournament has already been running for two months. I personally don't know who is planning to submit their final save.
But you've made yourself known and expressed a wish for an extension. Let's do this: tell us specifically when your final save will be ready, so it's easier for Zveroboy to keep track. Okay?