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#46
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Artem, please explain to me why, in 2011, when the question of holding the CIS championship in Yekaterinburg arose, you didn't write about Egypt?
And when Odessa was chosen in 2012, you still didn't write about Egypt?

Where is the facepalm emoji here?

Because this tournament has a deadline of January!
And in January, where would you want to go besides Egypt (ski resorts in the Alps / Argentina / Brazil / New Zealand :D)?

And in May, Odessa is great :smile05:
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where is the facepalm smiley here?

it's because this tournament is scheduled for January!!!
and where would anyone want to go in January other than Egypt (ski resorts in the Alps / Argentina / Brazil / New Zealand :D ) ?

but Odessa is great in May :smile05:

I am writing about a tournament in January. What does a facepalm have to do with this? We have freedom of speech. Whoever wants to vacation in the Alps / Argentina / Brazil / New Zealand - let them go there.
Whoever wishes to play in May - can play in May, it will be Minsk.
But I am writing about a tournament on the SoD version during the New Year holidays and politely asked not to troll for no reason in this topic. :smile51:

The fact that Odessa is great in May is not being questioned by me.)
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#48
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Many people who are planning to attend are not actually going to play, but rather just hang out, so the time of year and weather are important. However, there is only one set of May holidays, and we want to have two tournaments. Holding two tournaments simultaneously would negatively impact both the players and the fans, so there is really nothing to argue about.
We can postpone the survey to see who will be able to attend until the fall, but it is unlikely to change much from the current situation. One thing is technical obstacles such as money, work, or distance, but if "wife/family" doesn't allow it, then that's how it will be. Therefore, a preliminary survey would not be superfluous, at least to gauge intentions.
But honestly, I don't like this Schism. Maybe it would make sense to organize a unifying tournament? I often see grand concepts like "club tournament" and "club gatherings," but where are the actual clubs? Maybe the clubs can finally compete against each other? Which club is better? Moscow or St. Petersburg, Kyiv or Yekaterinburg? Of course, the goal may not only be competition, but also unity and mass participation.
It would be easy to gather several teams – St. Petersburg, Moscow, Michurinsk, Ukraine, Belarus, Siberia, Yekaterinburg. And the team could consist of both Heroes of Might and Magic and Might and Magic players; why not just play your favorite version? And there should be fewer rounds; if we hold an Olympic-style or elimination tournament, for 4 teams, 2-3 rounds would be enough, and for 5-6 teams, 3-4 rounds. This would allow more time for rest, communication, and exchanging experiences. But the main goal is unity, not division.
As for the timing, I don't know; we need to find some common weekend in the fall.
Although this is probably a separate topic.
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I think there's nothing to do in Egypt right now; it's too unstable, and the population is rebelling against the current authorities again. I think good options are Kyiv, Minsk, Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Yekaterinburg.
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Piterius
For now, many of those writing are coming to hang out rather than to play, which is why the season/weather are important. But there's only one May holiday period, and we want two tournaments. Running two tournaments in parallel at the same time would damage the roster of both players and fans, so there's not really much to argue about here.
We could postpone the poll on who is coming until autumn, but it won't change much from the current one. Technical obstacles like money/work/distance are one thing, but if "wife/family" doesn't allow it, then that's just how it will be. Therefore, a preliminary poll wouldn't hurt. At least regarding intentions.
But honestly, I don't like this Schism; maybe there is still sense in organizing a unifying tournament? I often read loud concepts like "club tournament" and "club hangouts," but where are the clubs themselves? Maybe it's time for the clubs to finally measure up? Whose club is better? Moscow or Piter, Kyiv or Yekaterinburg? Well, yes, the goal might not only be Competitive, but rather unity and mass participation.
After all, several teams could easily gather — Piter, Moscow, Michurinsk, Ukraine, Belarus, Siberia, Yekaterinburg. Moreover, both VT players and SoD players could be on a team; just pair up by your favorite version, what's the problem? And you need fewer rounds if you run a round-robin or elimination: 2-3 rounds for 4 teams, 3-4 rounds for 5-6 teams. More time for rest, communication, and exchanging experience. But the main goal is unity, not division.
As for dates, of course I don't know; we need to look for some common weekends in autumn.
Although this is probably a separate topic.

I believe that two or three offline tournaments are not too many for our community. A team tournament is interesting, but more complex. If it's every man for himself, then whoever arrives plays. In a team event, what do we do if 15 people arrive instead of 16 (4x4)?
What if everyone comes from very different regions, like organizing Belarusian-Siberian mixed teams? And most importantly — 4 people gather in a team, two are ready to play until the end, for victory, while two just want to hang out more; they throw the first round and then go on a drinking binge. This kind of split happens often at offline champs.

I'm happy to discuss a team championship in a separate thread. )

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And I believe there's nothing to do in Egypt right now; it's too unstable there, the population is rebelling against the current authorities again. It seems to me that good options are Kyiv, Minsk, Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Yekaterinburg.

For now, in my view, these are the preferences for the tournament.
1. Kyiv. The city has always supported SoD, there are strong players, experience hosting the CIS championship, and a person ready to help with organization.
2. Moscow. Also a center of SoD; we held a tournament there in winter, which was quite successful. On the other hand, I'd like to try a new city. And there is no club with separate rooms for stream commentators.
3. Michurinsk. Great experience in running tournaments, local players can be recruited, no problems with accommodation, cheap.
But the internet is terrible; forget the stream, there will be problems even with the same-game transmission. :smile05:

Saint Petersburg, Minsk, Yekaterinburg — these are more for VT and TE; they won't organize SoD there. In Piter, tournaments have completely died out; I've already forgotten when the last one was there. Probably the White Nights hosted by Fyodor and Antal.
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#51
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Perhaps we could add a poll to the topic about the desire/possibility of attending?

By the way, regarding St. Petersburg. In Odessa, the idea arose that it would be a good idea to hold CIS-2015 in St. Petersburg. There are plenty of organizers in St. Petersburg, and I think it's unnecessary to talk about the advantages of this city.
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#52
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The organizers from Moscow have preliminarily expressed their interest in hosting CIS-15.
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#53
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What other Egypt are you talking about? Are you kidding me?
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Maybe we could add a poll to the topic about the desire/possibility of attending?

By the way, regarding St. Petersburg. In Odessa, the idea arose that it would be good to hold CIS-2015 in St. Petersburg.

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#55
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Egypt, like Turkey, is simply a global garbage dump with a sea; the level of service, the quality of food and drinks, and most amusingly, there is no correlation with the price. If you're going to vacation abroad, choose a normal, civilized country.
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Without broadcasts, it will be very bad, of course; such a tournament simply must have streams and broadcasts :smile20:
Then it turns out that Michurinsk can be excluded... or if something changes with the internet there...
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#57
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... But there's only one May tournament, and we want two. Running two tournaments in parallel at the same time would harm both the players and the fans, so there's really nothing to argue about.
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I would try it :)
1) Spectator (in one conference hall) - there's no general broadcast of all matches on one large screen, so we watch a little bit everywhere (we watch the Horn-Dust match in Heroes of Might and Magic 2, or a match of Heroes of Might and Magic III players - if everything is in one room/place, it's impossible to watch all matches from A to Z).

2) Regarding the overlap/luring of players - conduct a survey to see who wants to play in both tournaments, SOD and VT, so that we can see this in fact in numbers (*assuming they would like to go to the May gathering)/I think another question seems more problematic - the availability of SOD players who are willing to travel.
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#58
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Nagan-4
I think that two or three offline tournaments aren't too many for our community. A team tournament is interesting, but more complex. If it's every man for himself, then whoever shows up plays. In a team tournament, what do you do if not 16 (4x4), but 15 people show up?
What if everyone is from very different regions, like organizing Belarusian-Siberian teams? And most importantly, if four people get together in a team, two are ready to play to the end, to win, and two just want to hang out more, and they lose the first round, and then go on a bender. This kind of division often happens at offline championships.

It seems to me that the problems are exaggerated. Each team can have 3-4-5 people + substitutes from those who are not ready to play everything, but one game they don't mind. The team that goes to play, plays to the end, and doesn't fall apart; at the championships I've been to, that's how it was.
How do you divide "very different regions"? In the worst case, we have three regions - Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, what problems could there be with that?
The trick is that:
- you can make fewer games;
- the schedule can be shortened accordingly;
- more time for communication and relaxation, exchange of experience;
- the main goal of the team tournament is unity.

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I would try :)
1) spectator (in one conference room) - there is no general broadcast of all matches on one large screen, so we watch a little everywhere (you watch the Horn-Dust match in HoMM2, or a match of third-tier players - if everything is in one room/place, you can't watch all the matches from A to Z)

2) regarding the intersection/poaching of players - conduct a survey of who wants to play in both tournaments, SOD and VT, so that we can see this in fact, in numbers (*assuming they would like to go to the May gathering)/I think another question seems more problematic - the availability of SOD players who are willing to travel/

What would you try? Are we talking about two championships in different places or in one, I don't quite understand?
And I wouldn't have too many illusions about streams; if 2-3 matches are fully streamed each round, that will be a great success for the event. And streaming 2 championships at the same time is unrealistic, in my opinion.
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#59
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What would he even try? Are we talking about two tournaments in different locations or in one? I'm not sure.
And I wouldn't have too many illusions about the streams. If 2-3 matches are streamed properly for each round, that would be a great success for the event. But streaming 2 tournaments simultaneously is unrealistic, in my opinion.
I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to hold two tournaments in one location (in one conference room). Is there a difference if one round involves 8 matches (only the Warlords Tournament) or 16 matches (both SOD and Warlords - two tournaments with non-overlapping players, and both tournaments will end around the same time, give or take)? And is all of this possible in one place?
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2 simultaneous Tournaments is, imho, a bad idea, if only because there are many players who play both versions well. There will inevitably be talk that the tournament was flawed since not all of the strongest players participated.

I'll go even further — most active riders are ready to play both SoD and VT; the orthodoxes of a single version mostly stay home. I won't attempt to explain the reasons, I'm simply noting it as a fact.

Plus, there is the difficulty of predicting the number of participants — not once in any CIS event has it been possible to compile an accurate list even a week in advance; many players signed up or withdrew at the last moment, often without warning. The option of sorting out who will play which version among those who have arrived seems bleak to me.