Posts from Heroes 5 – “A masterpiece or an unfinished product?”

Oh, brothers! No conflicts are needed! We have a peaceful forum!

Oh, brothers! No conflicts are needed! We have a peaceful forum!

one is too little, two is too much, and 3 is already a crowd!! So this is not even beneficial!!!
And we are not going to start a battle here... We will strongly criticize those who dare to speak badly about Heroes 5 ;) (okay, I'm kidding). But in general, I hope no one does that; the dispute with Magnus about masterpieces is still fresh in my memory!;

One is too few, two is too many, and three is a crowd!! So this isn't even beneficial!
And we're not going to start a fight here... We'll just strongly criticize those who dare to speak badly about the 5th game;) (okay, I'm kidding). But in general, I hope no one does that; I still remember the argument with Magnus about masterpieces!;

Oh, how nostalgic!:) Those times have passed:) If someone says that the 5th game is an uber-mega-masterpiece, there will immediately be dissatisfaction:)
We'll have to change our signatures:)

On the topic: more of a masterpiece than an unfinished product. There are many advantages: good tactics, decent balance, good graphics, a worthy continuation of the series (in my opinion, it's a continuation, and not a game that has nothing to do with the previous parts). I read the forum and found many nitpicks about individual elements of the game (creature models, "imbalance," types of resources, and the interface). I think you need to be a little more easygoing and not notice these things against the backdrop of the game's overall masterpiece quality. In my opinion, it's a masterpiece, and nothing else... The only and most significant drawback of the game called "Heroes of Might and Magic 5" is that it is not "Heroes of Might and Magic 3," so many people who really love the third part (by the way, I am one of those "many") are now saying that "back in the day, in the third part, it was like this, but here everything is not as it should be." This is somewhat similar to the reasoning of elderly people about how life was better in the past than it is now. Sometimes this is, of course, true, but for the most part, these assumptions are purely personal and lack objectivity... Oh, it seems I got carried away. In general, for those who are too lazy to read this lyrical digression, I will say: I liked the fifth part much more than, in my opinion, the failed fourth part (again, this is a personal opinion, isn't it?), at least because the continuation of the old and good "third part" did not become a completely "popular amusement." Let me explain: remember the Worms series. Now compare Worms 2 (any part in 2D) and Worms 3D (respectively, any part in 3D). In my opinion, the two-dimensional Worms should have long ago displaced all sorts of Counter-Strikes from the top of the most popular esports games. Many modern games would envy the tactics of this game. And the three-dimensional clay Snusmumriks are just an unfortunate degenerate of the old good worms. A complete lack of tactics. It's a pity. So, the fifth Heroes, although "dressed" in 3D, did not lose their excellent tactics and even acquired new, previously unknown combinations and new possibilities. In my opinion, this is what should have been the main goal of the game developers (that is, Nival). And they, judging by the demo, achieved this goal. Well, I finally finished my post-epic. And I could have expressed myself much more briefly... ^_^

It's beautiful, and he's right!!!!!!! And besides, it was obvious even before the beta and demo were released!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D

The more I read this forum, the more I get the impression that there are far fewer people here who like Heroes 5 than those who don't. Take, for example, how Nival was criticized. The phrases are mostly like: "They don't know anything, they hadn't even heard of Heroes until they started developing the 5th part, and we could do it better ourselves." Nival develops Heroes not only because it has experience in creating such games, but also because many of its employees are fans of this series. Next, the graphics. Don't like the anime style? But, meanwhile, it helps to create very stylish monsters. The universe isn't the same? Well, what's so bad about that? In my opinion, this adds interest – because you can explore a new world without knowing exactly what awaits you. A new story, and so on... In general, they should wait for the game first, instead of complaining about how everything is ruined in the new Heroes.
Time will tell. Personally, I liked the demo version, and I have no doubt that the full version will be even better.

Just my opinion, of course.

Then, if that's the case, what are you doing on the forum? Why were you looking for so much news? Just to tear the game down later and say, "Oh, it's just mass-produced garbage; I'm going to go play Lords!"?

What am I doing on the forum?
I'm discussing the game!
And I've been interested in it for a long time, as well as the previous games in the series and other games in this genre.
And I want a game from my favorite series with a minimum of flaws or no flaws at all.
But Heroes has many flaws. And having many flaws doesn't make it a masterpiece, especially since many of these flaws have no good reason to exist...
For example, the hero interface, which was already mentioned...
Was it bad in the previous games in the series? Did it need to be replaced?
Why?
All skills and the army and the hero's avatar could fit on one screen.
Was that inconvenient?
By placing a new artifact in the corresponding slot, we could immediately see how it affects the hero's stats (primary and secondary) and how it affects the stats of the army units.
But now, you put it in, switch to another window, look at the hero, switch to another window, look at the units, switch to the inventory window, and try a new combination of artifacts. Is that a plus compared to the previous games in the series? No, in my opinion, it's a minus.
The spellbook. What was the need to make such large and not particularly beautiful pictures? There wasn't one. But of course, it had to be replaced. Why?
Why fix what isn't broken? The Nival developers didn't take into account the experience from previous games. Yes, the universe is new (whatever), but the game's principles haven't changed...
I'm not saying that the game Nival created is bad, but it has flaws (IMHO) that its predecessors didn't have, so it can't be called the best, a masterpiece, etc.
Therefore, I sincerely hope that the developers will fix their shortcomings, which are still there, instead of making excuses in a rather primitive way by emphasizing the complexity of the work and the impossibility of carrying it out (and they often do this; the last time they complained about the difficulty of developing a map editor, and that's why there won't be one).
I want to see Heroes 5 as a normal continuation of the series, without flaws. But I don't have much hope for Nival anymore, but there are modders who are already fixing Nival's shortcomings and thereby making the game better.
I don't think it's right to not see the game's flaws and just praise it just because it's Heroes of Might and Magic. Let Nival's and Ubisoft's PR department take care of that. And there are plenty of people here who are willing to promote them.
Let them not be particularly beautiful, let them still need work, but they are still the best. Hmm. It's up to you...
And the argument that you played Heroes 4, so you'll play Heroes 5 no matter what, is not an argument at all.
Well, okay. I'll leave you to continue admiring Nival's "masterpiece."
You still don't provide any arguments...
All the arguments are from the old Soviet cartoon about the rabbit, "And that's good enough"...

The more I read this forum, the more I get the impression that there are far fewer people who like the 5th Heroes game than those who don't. Take, for example, how Nival was criticized. The phrases are mostly like: "They don't know anything, they hadn't even heard of Heroes until they started developing the 5th part, and we could do it better ourselves." Nival develops Heroes not only because it has experience in creating such games, but also because many of its employees are fans of this series. Next - the graphics. Don't like the anime style? But, meanwhile, it helps to create very stylish monsters. The universe isn't the same, well, what's so bad about that? In my opinion, this adds interest - because you can explore a new world without knowing exactly what awaits you. A new story, and so on... In general, they should wait for the game instead of complaining about how everything is ruined in the new Heroes :\
Time will tell. Personally, I liked the demo version, and I have no doubt that the full version will be even better.
Of course, this is just my opinion.

Stylish monsters were created???????????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: According to you, a gargoyle, a peasant, a red knight, and a phoenix are all stylish :D :D :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Well, and in the previous games, we also explored new lands
in Heroes 1 and 2, Enroth
Heroes 3 - Erathia
Heroes 4 - Axeoth

Did they really create stylish monsters???????????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: According to you, a gargoyle, a peasant, a red Knight, and a phoenix are all stylish:D :D :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Well, and in previous games, we also explored new lands
in Heroes 1 and 2, Enroth
Heroes 3 - Erathia
Heroes 4 - Axeoth

What's wrong with that style? It might be flashy, but it's still beautiful:)
As for exploring new lands, that's another similarity with the series!

Why not a style? Even if it's flashy, it's still beautiful:)
Regarding exploring new lands, that's where the similarity with the series lies!

What similarity? In those games, there were different heroes, and in Heroes 1-3, the action took place on Xeen;), and in Heroes 4, it already took place on Axoth.

Anime style... Now, I don't like anime (it's just not my thing), but I haven't noticed such an obvious presence of it in the game =) So what if the elves and angels are drawn... no... even... "outlined," shall we say, with a slight Japanese flair. They don't have huge disproportionate eyes, tiny little noses, or almost perfectly semicircular mouths, nor do they fight in an anime fashion; all movements are quite natural and leave nothing to complain about. Models with a slight anime tint, it seems to me, were used to enhance the effect of lightness and grace. And there aren't many of these "anime-ish" elements (which is undoubtedly pleasing).

The demo is good. The main thing is that its fate isn't like LRC's—just not like LRC's. I sincerely hope that the final release will be lag-free and without bugs. And I am ready to wait for this, of course, within reasonable limits (S.T.A.L.K.E.R. immediately comes to mind, Duke Nukem Forever). That's it =)

the last time they complained about the difficulty of developing the map editor, and therefore it won't be included.

will the map editor be included in the end or not?

The thing is, he is NEEDED! And that means he will be added, the question is just "when?", probably in a patch, but even more likely in an expansion – a good way to make more money from players, because such an expansion will definitely be bought...

The thing is, he is NEEDED! And that means he will be added, the question is just "when?", probably in a patch, but even more likely in an expansion – a good way to make more money from players, because such an expansion will definitely be bought...

He will definitely be added. It's like a tradition, look at Oblivion, they didn't release the editor right away – they released it later, but it was more polished:)

I don't remember noticing this tradition being continued in Heroes of Might and Magic IV...