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After the game, I immediately told my opponents that:
01/08/2013 23:11:34, Dirty_Player: In my personal opinion, this is a bug, and a malicious one at that. It should definitely be banned. However, since there was no ban in place, I believe we used it completely LEGALLY. That's my position.
Why is it specifically a bug? Because: Samurai
The berserk bug was clearly not intended in the overall design, neither in the berserk spell itself nor in the game.
If the game's description or manual doesn't mention this property, and the spell doesn't work as it should, then it's clearly a bug. I personally think this bug should be fixed. It's already been banned in offline tournaments, but it's very difficult to regulate and restrict this bug online. I personally can't imagine a situation where wyverns are affected by berserk, skip their turns, but why should I suddenly have to back off so they can start their turns? I can't imagine a situation where I have to move my centaurs = make a weak move, effectively losing the game, even though I could win. :confused: That's why I believe we had every right to use this opportunity. numOne
To talk about whether the rules were violated, it is necessary to first check these rules.
Why are there no rules in this tournament? The ideology of TE/WT is that there should be no rules, i.e., all rules are embedded in the game itself, and all bugs should be fixed programmatically.
Regarding the bug in general, there are several possible solutions: 1. Leave everything as it is. 2. Ban its use by rules. In offline tournaments, there is a rule prohibiting:
5.11. Using "stalling" of a monster under the effect of the "berserk" spell.
i.e., in this case, I would have to let the wyverns take their turn (again, at what point?). 3. Ban it programmatically. Ask Baratortcha to add it to HD+, and asm'a to WT. 4. Completely ban the Berserk spell. No comment. Think for yourselves what is best.
P.S.: This bug can be compared to hit-and-run tactics, when you are attacked several times, hit with Armageddon or Explosion, and they run away, and you can't do anything.
HellLighT
13 years ago
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How much nonsense has been said here! Mocking about bluffing or not bluffing? What are you even talking about, gentlemen from high society? Besides another baseless statement, there's absolutely nothing constructive. You brought up the расклад, said it was a terrible match, that there's no chance, it's a herd... I don't know what else to add.
P.S. I'm sure that 80% of those who replied haven't even watched a tenth of the stream.
Albert@s
13 years ago
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What’s there to discuss? An improperly conducted battle against an overpowered stack of Monarchs? Lebron-Dirty-well done, congratulations! And you guys, you should calm down a bit – it’s just a game, so gather yourselves and keep playing!
HellLighT
13 years ago
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In general, fellow players, I'm willing to bet money that you'll lose this battle in favor of your "favorites" without using this bug. I'll even play 3 rounds without anti-magic, just like in the stream.
Albert@s
13 years ago
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to our great regret, you yourself forced the situation to reach this absurdity – blame yourself first and foremost!
much to my regret — you yourself forced the fish to go to this absurdity; blame, first and foremost, yourself!
yes yes, I'm just wondering with what exactly? with words about bluff? or with the fact that I signed up for the tournament, maybe with the fact that I was dealt a Dragon Fly Hive? or what else could your sophisticated mind have dragged into this?
Oelm
13 years ago
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In general, fellow players, I'm willing to bet that you will lose this battle for your "favorites" without using this bug. I will even play 3 rounds without anti-magic, just like in the stream.
What's the amount?
Земля нуля. Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
Dirty_Player
13 years ago
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No one forced anyone to do anything. The words in the chat didn't affect anything. We would have played the same way regardless. In reality, with both sides making strong moves, Halon wins the final battle. What else is there to discuss?
HellLighT
13 years ago
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I don't know, Oelm wants to have a duel in Rubicon %))
Let me give you an example. The rules of football don't prohibit faking a foul and begging for a penalty. This is a "bug" in the rules, and you can exploit it, but the question is, what kind of spectacle are we talking about for the viewers? Is that beautiful?
And they give cards for simulation, that's how they fix this bug.
Nestor86
13 years ago
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I only have one question: WHY hasn't the Berserk bug been banned? It creates a complete imbalance!
Noom
13 years ago
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Because it's difficult to prohibit (for example, using Berserk without intending to exploit it causes a bug, and the player who used Berserk is forced to make a negative move). It's easier to make sure that the mod creators fix it.
...The rules need to be edited, which I hope we will do soon. I was talking about the fact that all the points in the rules that allow for ambiguous interpretation need to be refined on a case-by-case basis, and if infinite arrows, reinforcing castle walls, etc., can be called a feature, then the berserk loop cannot be, it's a bug. But, limiting it with rules is also not an option, as too many nuances may arise, including unforeseen ones.
I believe that the following wording, which is approximately the same in meaning, will be sufficient:
It is forbidden to deprive an opponent of control over their units by applying the Berserk spell for more than one round, in the case where at least 1 unit under Berserk can attack someone
i.e., in a situation where Berserk has looped, either apply it again in the next round, or leave the opponent with some unit to regain control of the battle (in this case, the looped unit can at least be cast with a spell and brought out of the stupor, which is equivalent to regaining control))
Of course, there are options that account for minor flaws in one direction or the other, but they are minor. In general, I think that such a formula cures the main evil
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"
2Wowa: I don't understand why I should make a potentially disadvantageous move just because a bug occurred, which I may not have even intended to trigger.
