To Vigo or not to Vigo? That is the question. — Tournament Committee

Captain

12/10/2012 12:10 PM UTC

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Satyr

100% Cap paid someone to get Oelma banned. The comparison to a condom really upset him.

I just read that comparison and replied in the forum (since I don't read the forum).
More precisely, Oelm has used this comparison twice already - he's a spammer. :)

Kilgor, stop trolling me and promoting the "Razor" :)
Believe me, many people in the Academy have this "wealth of information."

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

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HellLighT

12/10/2012 12:14 PM UTC

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numOne

Wlk has long been banned and deservedly so. But the situation with Oelm is unclear. Some external moderator (not from the "third" section) gave him violation points, and he was automatically banned because he had already exceeded the threshold of 100 points. He should be unbanned in about a week, but if someone else continues to act independently and assign points, he might end up with a permanent ban.

Wlk was unbanned recently, but the points were not removed. He seemed to be behaving very appropriately... maybe the same prankster is causing trouble?)

7z

12/10/2012 2:50 PM UTC

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Guys, you're talking a lot here, trying to "create a psychological profile" and so on. That's nonsense. The only thing that should be discussed here is whether there was a violation of the portal's rules and whether it can be proven.

Regarding Aladdin, the player himself admitted that it was his clone. There were games from the clone. This means the rules were violated. And determining the degree of the player's guilt is the job of the Arbitration Committee.

P.S. But it's very interesting to read, I won't deny it. Thank you to the Arbitration Committee for such a detailed analysis of the situation.

B100dy

12/10/2012 3:05 PM UTC

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7z, meaning that there isn't enough collected evidence to claim that someone else was playing for Vigo, especially considering that he often played with maphack?

positive

12/10/2012 3:51 PM UTC

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Actually, it’s really good that they created such a committee here, one that isn’t afraid to delve into the mess and take responsibility when making a decision about whether something is a cheat or not.

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Piterius

12/10/2012 5:08 PM UTC

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7z

Guys, you're talking a lot here, trying to "create a psychological profile" and so on. That's nonsense.

Anyone who writes anything similar again will be added to the AK archives under the heading "teenage surrealism syndrome."
Stop fantasizing based on your own limitations, pull yourselves together, and think twice before writing anything!

Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

icq: 407907277
skype: piterius_i

Sevensan

12/10/2012 7:48 PM UTC

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so, no movie then?

Added 31 seconds later
that’s a pity. I was hoping for a constructive dialogue.

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7z

12/10/2012 10:28 PM UTC

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B100dy

7z, meaning that the collected evidence is not enough to claim that someone else was playing for Vigo, especially considering he often played with map hacks?

To determine guilt or innocence, one confirmed violation is enough. That's why I chose the statement that is 100% true. All other points can be debated for a long time (which is already happening over 25 pages), discussing whether he is a good person or not, etc. But for me, one fact of violating the rules is enough.

Piterius

Anyone who writes anything similar again will be added to the AK archives under the heading "adolescent surrealism syndrome."
Stop rambling based on your own limitations, pull yourselves together, and think twice before writing anything!

I am not belittling the work of the AK. I haven't seen such a thorough analysis of the situation before. But I don't see the point in continuing the discussion about "whether he is guilty or not." We can only discuss whether his actions deserve a ban.

Of course, we can talk about his psychological profile. Find out if his actions are related to his childhood, problems with his parents, etc. But why?

In reply to Vigo

leosnow

12/11/2012 6:24 AM UTC

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Vigo

That's why I don't understand – if you are just passing through here, how can you make claims about certain players and K without playing with them, communicating with them, or even understanding the game (Heroes 3 online)? And then make such sweeping statements about who is who...
And what do your Tournament organizations have to do with this topic where someone is being accused of cheating and maphacking?
I think you should just move on if you were just passing through. Or are you part of AK and will be making decisions?

This is a post /topic/at/628179/ in response to /topic/at/628179/.

Let me try to offer some advice; although I'm not that great at Heroes, I have quite a bit of life experience after 40 years, so here goes:
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2. He tried to start a game, but it didn't work out because it was too difficult to agree on who would go first, the conditions, etc. Vigo's main argument for his superiority was: "I only play against unverified players under my own terms."

3. Because he wasn't aware, this conversation ensued:
leosnow 23.11.2012 10:05
How are things going with your favorites?

Vigo 23.11.2012 10:05
Not good, I was accused and disqualified.

leosnow 23.11.2012 10:06
???
What for?

Vigo 23.11.2012 10:06
They said someone else was playing for me.

leosnow 23.11.2012 10:08
You can say anything; what did they base that on? Or is it really true?
I'm in shock.

Vigo 23.11.2012 10:08
I was shocked too.

leosnow 23.11.2012 10:08
What post on the forum?

Vigo 23.11.2012 10:09
Who knows, in my favorites.

After such a phrase, I don't want to communicate with this person at all.

4. HoMM is just a game, not a life goal, and the main thing here is interest and communication. That's why I'm so surprised that there are even debates like this. Since I don't want to continue communicating further.

5. Take a close look at the registration dates: http://forum.heroesworld.ru/member.php?u=8907 and http://forum.heroesworld.ru/member.php?u=8871. You can, of course, nitpick about the eyes of a wolf; both avatars have :confused:, but it's not necessarily true, and it's not 1937-1939, and I'm not from the NKVD, but the question arises whether anyone has ever seen these people together, even on Skype? Do they even exist? Maybe they are two clones for testing cheating and maphacking methods, and the real one "learns" from their mistakes?
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1. Returning to the quote given at the beginning, based solely on such disrespectful behavior (by the way, even a Новичок in Heroes and computers, if he ends up on the portal, can open any nickname and see who he is communicating with, read his posts, etc.), Vigo respectfully sent you away, briefly and clearly.
CONCLUSION: ONLY PERMANENTLY BLOCK Vigo's account, preferably along with Vitalic, if the registration was from the same source, as a violation of the rule: having two accounts.
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P.S. There was a great cartoon about Leopold the Cat and his famous words:
"Guys! Let's live like friends!" Close this topic, let's play; there are so many problems in life that we want to relax and have fun playing our favorite game, rather than adding more stress, which everyone already has enough of.

"Бороться, бороться, пока не покинет надежда, что может быть в жизни прекрасней подобной игры." В.Каверин "Два капитана".

RiMpel2

12/11/2012 6:28 AM UTC

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After such a statement, I no longer have any desire to communicate with that person.

:):D

Mizrael

12/11/2012 6:40 AM UTC

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This post is a bit off-topic... Vitalik and Vigo are two different people; many have seen them in person (including myself) on multiple occasions.

http://www.twitch.tv/mikevalentine/

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numOne

12/11/2012 6:41 AM UTC

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leosnow

The question arises: has anyone ever seen these people together, even via Skype? Do they even exist? Maybe they are two clones used for testing cheating methods and maphacks, while the real one "learns" from their mistakes?

We have seen them, and they are not the same person.
Express your opinion by voting, and stop throwing stones at him; show some respect.

Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.

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Qwerty

12/11/2012 6:44 AM UTC

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leosnow

5. Take a close look at the registration dates: http://forum.heroesworld.ru/member.php?u=8907 and http://forum.heroesworld.ru/member.php?u=8871. You could, of course, focus on the wolf eyes in both avatars :confused:, but that's not necessary; it's not 1937-1939, and I'm not from the NKVD. But the question arises: has anyone ever seen these two people together, even on Skype? Do they even exist? Maybe they are two clones used to test cheating methods and maphacking, and the real one is "learning" from their mistakes?

As far as I remember, Vitalik and Vigo were seen TOGETHER by:
Pit for LM
AlexTheGreat
Sag
Redwhite
Wicc
Evgeniy
PReDS
Stinger
...
I can expand this list at least fourfold; I think that's unnecessary?

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

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B100dy

12/11/2012 6:52 AM UTC

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7z

To determine guilt or innocence, one confirmed violation is sufficient. That's why I chose the statement that is 100% true. All other points can be debated at length (which is already happening over 25 pages), discussing whether the person is good or not, etc. But for me, one fact of a rule violation is enough.

Well, then you simply must file an appeal to the Arbitration Committee regarding the decision on Loser and Vitalik. There, too, there are no 100% facts of their guilt, if you reason in a similar way. For example, with Loser, there is a video, yes, that's great, but did anyone check it for editing? - I doubt it. Okay, let's assume the video is not edited; Loser can always say that someone else was at the computer and opened the saves. Based on your logic and that of several other commenters, there are also no 100% facts there. Do you understand how absurd all of this can become?

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leosnow

12/11/2012 6:54 AM UTC

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Mizrael

This post isn't really relevant... Vitalik and Vigo are two different people; many have seen them in person (including myself) on multiple occasions.

I made a mistake; in my opinion, the idea that Vitalik and Vigo were the same person was just a guess, so I apologize to Vitalik.
Regarding Vigo, the opinion is clear; even though I used one quote as an example, there are many more. He insulted a whole group of people, not their actions, but the people themselves, and he weaseled around like a snake on a hot pan.
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P.S. Everyone complains about not having enough time to play, but they find time for chatting in this thread.

"Бороться, бороться, пока не покинет надежда, что может быть в жизни прекрасней подобной игры." В.Каверин "Два капитана".