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Vigo deserves to be on the Blacklist
81.4% 48 votes
Vigo was unfairly added to the Blacklist and should be removed from it
18.6% 11 votes
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StickyFingaz
I think I lose almost 100% of my ranked games, but in tournaments, I try to play as focused as possible, and my win rate is higher there.

Get some save files from Vigo's recent games in the season and, for example, save files from the match against Sevensan in "One for All" on Jebus. Compare the first week – different people were playing. Or maybe Vigo is Jekyll and Hyde in one person, but the facts say otherwise, unfortunately.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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I already explained! Maybe some of my friends were nearby, giving advice and hints! I don't remember the date, but it's not important. We had to play within a certain timeframe, and I might have had guests, good players, who were helping me out.
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Kilgor

There might be some fluctuations in skill, but they are insignificant; at least, compare them to the transactions of Gomungulus.
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I disagree here. I'll add my two cents. I used to play in 2006, and later, from 2008-2009, I played in a tournament group on VKontakte. I'm not a great player. But I approached tournament games more responsibly (not always, though). And in other games, I play casually; if the opponent interests me, I try to play well; if not, I play for my own enjoyment, even if it means losing! And that happened! In the same VKontakte, I beat many players who were very good for the level of that group, and I also lost to people who built their 6th-level castle on the third week.
I'm not defending Vigo, especially after reading the topic about "Loser," and now I don't know what to think. Maybe he's not guilty, but I think he should understand that after such information, anyone will have suspicions.
Мой ник Heroes, и никто не вынесет меня
Скажу я вам, мои друзья.
Я некромант, я маг великий, и армия моя
Непобедимая, огромная!
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Kilgor
I believe it! But almost a month has passed since November 15th. Tell me, brother, would you wait that long to defend your honor and dignity?

When I was attacked on the Bukovsky forum, I simply left. And there are no tournaments for the second game there, and in general, there is nothing about the second game there.

I received the last ban on the portal several years ago and didn't dispute it. I understood that they simply applied the rules to me, without making any concessions (which were made for 95% of users). But I clearly understood that I formally deserved that ban.
However, when I received 5 bans on the portal, I became very disillusioned with that resource. Then the bans gradually started to be removed... I rehabilitated myself after about three or four years, I think. And only after the portal split, when a considerable amount of time had passed, my request for the last ban to be lifted was granted.

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Qwerty
When I was harassed on the Bukovsky forum, I simply left. There are no tournaments for the second game there, and there is nothing about the second game at all.

I received my last warning on the portal several years ago and didn't dispute it. I understood that they simply applied the rules to me without making any concessions (which were made for 95% of users). But I clearly understood that I formally deserved that warning.
However, when I received 5 warnings on the portal, I became very disillusioned with that resource. Then the warnings started to be gradually removed... I rehabilitated myself after about three or four years, I think. And only after the portal split, when a considerable amount of time had passed, my request to remove the last warning was granted.

Maybe you could create a separate thread about yourself? We would be interested in reading it, honestly.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Qwerty
When I was harassed on the Bukovsky forum, I simply left. And there are no Tournaments for the second game there, and there is nothing about the second game there at all.

I received the last ban on the portal several years ago and didn't dispute it. I understood that they simply applied the rules to me, without making any concessions (which were made for 95% of users). But I clearly understood that I formally deserved this ban.
But when I received 5 bans on the portal, I became very disillusioned with this resource. Then the bans gradually began to be removed... I rehabilitated myself after about three or four years, I think. And only after the Schism of the portal, when a considerable amount of time had passed, my request for the last ban to be lifted was granted.

Don't confuse the situation. You didn't care about that resource, but Vigo wants to stay and play on this one. So, if you want to stay on it, why are you reacting so slowly? This is not an accusation; I'm just saying that it's simply illogical.
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I disagree here. I'll add my two cents. I used to play in 2006 on HotA, and from 2008-9 I played in a tournament group on VKontakte. I'm not a great player. But I approached tournament games more responsibly (not always, though). And in the rest of the games, I play haphazardly; if the opponent is interesting to me, I try to play; if not, I play for my own enjoyment, even if it means using the Capitol! And that happened! In the same VKontakte, I beat many players who were very good for the level of that group, and I also lost to people who were building their 6th-level town on the third week.
I'm not defending Vigo, especially after reading the topic about the Loser; I don't know what to think anymore. Maybe he's not guilty, but I think he should understand that after such information, anyone will have suspicions.

You didn't understand. In the tournament, Vigo beats TOP players, but in the season, he plays against average players, and his win rate is almost non-existent. The phrase "Experience can't be wasted" fits well here. (I hope I was understood)
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It’s not just about playing on this resource. There are many resources, and you can play your favorite game even without them! The problem is the accusation of something I didn’t do. All these suspicions might be understandable, but the accusations that I supposedly didn’t play and don’t know how to play, and then suddenly, in serious games, I make amazing moves and win, which means I’m a cheater! Because I didn’t know how to do it before and didn’t do it before. Isn’t that ridiculous?! )))\
And regarding the maphack – I still don’t understand what the accusations are based on...
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Vigo
It's not just about playing on this resource. There are many resources, and you can play your favorite game even without them! It's about being accused of something I didn't do. All these suspicions might be understandable, but the accusations that you supposedly didn't play there and don't know how to play, and then bam, in serious games you make epic moves and win, so you're a cheater! Because you don't know how to do that and haven't done it before. Isn't that absurd, right?! ))))
And regarding maphack - I still don't understand what the accusations are based on...

Nobody called you a cheater. You were banned for "falsification of tournament results" and for maphacking. We don't deal with proof of maphacking, because it's impossible to prove; we draw conclusions based on the available information, of which there is a lot, and which, collectively, allows us to conclude that maphacking occurred in your games, and since you claim you always play yourself, that little note about maphacking is next to your nickname. If you had admitted that you sometimes let a "strong player who stopped by for a visit" play for you/"help" ;) , we would have removed the maphack accusations from you, leaving only the falsification. That wouldn't have changed the situation, but maybe it would have put your mind at ease.

And also, I'll add from myself, purely a life observation. There is a certain type of person who will never, ever admit to having messed up. In real life, I have several examples with very close people - they did something blatantly stupid, absolutely obvious, they're exposed, but they deny it to the very end, with glassy eyes and all that - "no, I didn't do it." Until they are literally caught red-handed and their nose is rubbed in it on the spot. And what do you think they did? Nothing. They just shut down and refuse to talk/explain. Grown adults... You can't make me understand why they do it, apparently it's human nature. And online, where it's practically impossible to expose someone, believe me, they would be even less likely to confess.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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I was saying that I sometimes don't play alone! If an experienced person is standing behind me, or if two players are telling me what and how to do things correctly, does that count as them playing? If you think so, then it's clear. I never hid that! And I would warn you in ICQ that I was with Vitalik or something like "we're thinking together" or something similar.
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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numOne
We don't deal with maphack evidence because it's impossible to prove. We draw conclusions based on the available information, of which there is a lot, and based on which, collectively, we can conclude that maphacking occurred in your games.
This is not enough. I would like to either see arguments about maphacking, have them substantiated and defended, or see an apology for making unsubstantiated accusations of maphacking.

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A 30-year-old man is spouting nonsense, it's embarrassing to read. It wasn't me, and the cow isn't mine; I wasn't at the computer. Someone was standing nearby, giving me advice, and it's possible someone else sat down at the computer and did something while I was away. After playing CS for a long time, I noticed that stupid cheaters would rat each other out, while smart and experienced ones would defend each other. It's a very strange and inexplicable position. P.S. And it's clear, from the same faction.
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Qwerty
That's not enough. I would like to either see arguments about maphacking, justify them, and defend them, or see an apology for unsubstantiated accusations of maphacking.

Take, for example, the last game with Sev7nsan in "One vs All" on Jebus Cross, and look at the actions of "Vigo" after entering the desert – he goes with his main hero into the darkness along a dirt road towards the only Dragon Utopia directly without scouting and finds chocolate there.
Once again, I will repeat what I already wrote. AK makes a decision solely based on its subjective opinion, relying on experience. We don't have the time or desire to deal with "proving maphacking"; there have already been precedents; it is impossible to prove, and all reasonable players agree on this. It is enough for us that we see maphacking in games, and during closed discussions, we almost always come to similar conclusions.
You can raise the issue of AK's illegitimacy on the forum. If the forum does not trust our actions, then why do we need such an AK?
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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I'm an outsider in this situation. I read the thread, and it seems like they stirred up a hornet's nest. It's clear that the so-called "hornets" are very defensive and have a strong sense of loyalty to each other. There's evidence of IP address overlap, email address overlap, personal connections, and shared gaming experiences, as well as game statistics and results, and even evidence of cheating with multiple accounts. In short, it's all clear to me. Losers, Vigi, Querti, and the like – they're all birds of a feather. On one hand, I see well-reasoned posts, but on the other hand, there's a "I'm not me, and this isn't my house" attitude. This is, of course, my subjective, but completely unbiased opinion as an outside observer who simply decided to delve deeper into the topic.
"Шанс есть всегда, но не везде." ;)
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Okay, so basically any player who went into a treasure zone in the dark and found something good can be accused of using a maphack. (Although in that game, it wasn't really about that; I ran to the hero Seven following the flag, things were going great, but then it turned out to be GG). So invincible Seven got upset because of my luck. Well, whatever, we're just talking in circles here. You've stated your position. I don't agree with the accusation. To avoid unnecessary moral arguments and not distract AK from its duties, please create a poll on this topic. Many players' fates have been decided this way – who to ban, who to unban, etc. Based on the answers to the questions about whether I am considered a cheater or dishonest, whether to ban me or not, or something similar, you will know how to format the polls. Then everything will be clear.
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Vigo
I understand, so basically any player who went into the treasure in the darkness and found something good can be accused of using a maphack. (Although in that game, it wasn't really about that; I ran to the hero Seven following the flag, and it seemed like I was doing great, but it turned out to be a trap. So Seven got upset because of my luck.)
Well, okay, let's not beat around the bush.
You've stated your position. I don't agree with the accusation.
To avoid unnecessary moral arguments and not distract the AK team from their duties, I suggest you create a poll in this thread. Many players' fates were decided this way – who to ban, who to unban, etc.
So, based on the answers to the questions about whether I'm a cheater or not, whether to ban me or not, or something similar, you can decide how to format the poll. This way, everything will be clear.

First, let's provide all the available information. Pit said that more information will follow; he's just busy with work right now. Let people read it and understand it, and then we can have a poll.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.