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Vigo deserves to be on the Blacklist
81.4% 48 votes
Vigo was unfairly added to the Blacklist and should be removed from it
18.6% 11 votes
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Qwerty
2 Kilgor
2008/2009.
My stats:
season:
0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1/2, 1.
Total 7.5 out of 13, 57.7% (special thanks to Sir Gunnar for 3 consecutive losses).

Tournament
100%.

Here are my skill fluctuations.

0.1, do you mean the number of games? Then your results are not indicative. The sample is very small. Play 150 games like Vigo, and the spread will decrease.
Ihtiandr
))))) Funny) Wasn't I writing something relevant? The guy was accused of cheating, and one of the arguments was that he didn't immediately start defending himself and squealing like a stuck pig. I, by stating the basic principles of legal proceedings, wanted to convey that this argument was made up. So, in your understanding, "relevant" means only accusing the guy, and defending him is irrelevant?)) And never mind, sort it out yourselves. You can delete this message too, I allow it.

Just tell me, honestly, if you were banned and kicked out of the tournament, would you come to your senses in a month?
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It's just difficult to post while banned. A person is banned, and after that, they can't write anything (apparently, it needs to be repeated twice). Therefore, because a banned person can't leave posts, it's impossible to immediately submit an appeal.
PS. I don't believe Vigo would engage in mapmaking. Besides everything else, the issue is this (Vitya, don't be offended): Vigo isn't very proficient with programs and computers. In short, he's not a mapmaker. All this nonsense needs to be removed from his record and from Vitalik's. Vitalik is a different kind of person; all this scheming isn't for him: he's a reliable, good person. And he played a lot in clubs. Understand, in clubs! It's some kind of absurdity; these guys need to be removed from the lists. If you can't admit your mistake publicly, just remove them and that's it, and let's forget about it. It's easy to remove a person from the game, but it's difficult to bring them back.

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Ihtiandr
I think the presumption of innocence applies directly to this topic. Because one of the main arguments in favor of Vigo's guilt contradicts this fundamental principle.

Please state that main argument.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Qwerty
It's just difficult to post while banned. A person is banned, and then they can't write anything (apparently, it needs to be repeated twice). Therefore, because a banned person can't leave posts, it's impossible to immediately submit an appeal.
PS. I don't believe Vigo was mapmaking. The thing is (Vitya, don't be offended): Vigo isn't very advanced in programs and computers. In short, he wasn't mapmaking. All this nonsense needs to be removed from him and from Vitalik. Vitalik is generally a different kind of person; all this scheming isn't for him: he's a reliable, good person. And he played a lot in clubs. You understand, in clubs! It's some kind of absurdity; you need to remove these guys from the lists. Well, if you can't admit your mistake publicly, just remove them and that's it, and let's forget about it. It's easy to remove a person from the game, but it's difficult to bring them back.

Vigo wasn't banned and even posted. Look at one of the tournaments.
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It's understandable that a person wants to know why they were banned, but I don't understand why you didn't raise the issue immediately after the ban was announced. Any honest player who was unfairly banned would have made a fuss and defended themselves so vehemently that few would have doubted their honesty. Instead, you remained silent, or rather, not entirely silent – you asked someone from the Arbitration Committee a question, received an answer, and seemed to calm down. This is very strange behavior for an honest player.

Quote from your first post in this thread.
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Kilgor
Vigo wasn't banned and even posted. Watch the "one for all" tournament.
Brother, Vigo was banned from November 8th to November 15th.
Don't believe me, ask the coordinators.

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Here's another point:
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It's also strange how you wrote the subject – as if you're demanding proof and facts, but there's not a word about you being falsely accused, that you're innocent; you just need to present everything in an organized manner.

Yes, I believe this is perfectly justified based on the simple principle of "a person is innocent until proven guilty," which is the foundation of the judicial systems in leading countries around the world. A person is not obligated to prove their innocence. The burden of proof lies with the accusers.
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Qwerty
It's just difficult to write posts during a ban. A person is banned and then cannot write anything (apparently, it needs to be repeated twice). Therefore, because a banned user cannot leave posts, it is impossible to immediately submit an appeal.

Vigo was deliberately not immediately banned on the forum after the announcement of the accusation so that he could defend himself. And a week after the ban, he automatically unbanned himself. So your argument doesn't hold water.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Presumption of innocence) something new)
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Qwerty
Brother, Vigo was banned from November 8th to November 15th.
If you don't believe me, ask the coordinators.

Yes, but the accusation was made on November 6th, and Vigo reacted almost immediately - he described it in ICQ to some members of the Arbitration Committee, and that's all.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Ihtiandr
And here's another point:

"Message from numOne:
It's also strange how you wrote the original post – as if demanding proof and facts, but without mentioning that you were falsely accused, that you are innocent, and that you simply need to present the information in an organized manner."

Yes, I think this is quite justified based on the simple principle of "a person is innocent until proven guilty," which is the foundation of the judicial systems in leading countries. A person is not obligated to prove their innocence. The burden of proof lies with the accusers.

Why are you taking quotes out of context?

It's also strange how you wrote the original post – as if demanding proof and facts, but without mentioning that you were falsely accused, that you are innocent, and that you simply need to present the information in an organized manner, something you already know without our help. Well, we'll organize it, as there's plenty of material. Don't think that anyone caught you red-handed or filmed you (and even if they did, it wouldn't be proof, as it turns out), but there is enough evidence (as much as can be proven in Heroes regarding player substitution and map hacking) for the AC to vote for your ban.
Let the forum decide.

The main argument for the ban was the amount of material, which was sufficient to judge Vigo's dishonesty. What you call "one of the main arguments of the accusation" is simply my observation, which did not influence the ban, as it was formed only after it. Don't confuse things.
And, as you already wrote, since you're "not in the know," please don't clutter the thread.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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You can't ignore something as important as real life either. I know that a certain range of Vigo's work has a very pronounced seasonality, and that season happens to fall in the last month. That is, there is a huge amount of work at this time, it's simply unreal. Vigo couldn't even take an hour to attend the Phoenix gathering because he was so busy. I'm sure everyone has had moments when they are so busy that they have neither the time nor the energy for anything for several days.

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Qwerty
Brother, Vigo was banned from 8.11 to 15.11.
Don't believe me, ask the coordinators.

I believe you! But almost a month has passed since 15.11. Tell me, brother, would you wait that long to defend your honor and dignity?
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I think I lose almost every game when playing for rating, but in tournaments, I try to play as focused as possible, and my win rate is higher there.
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numOne, )) Okay, you're right, I won't interfere where I don't belong. I just don't like it when my messages are deleted :) But since the discussion here is "strictly business," what can you do...
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