Турнир "ФБ-6" -> Tournament "The Final Battle - 6" — Tournament History online

=Stinger=

11/26/2012 1:02 PM UTC

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Kilgor

The game already starts with restarts and, as was said, if there are no restarts left, then you make do with what you have. I fully support Vitaly. Besides, the layout isn't the worst; there is an air book and a dragon external dwelling at the respawn. And 4 Dragon Utopias within one move's reach.

Yes, it's clear that the game starts with restarts.
In general, as I understand it, restarts are provided specifically to play into some acceptable layout. One thing is unclear to me — why are wins posted on 111? To save time, out of fear of losing with a different layout, or for some other reason?

positive

11/26/2012 1:15 PM UTC

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In my opinion, giving extra restarts should be allowed in seasonal games (fun games) where you practice the game, so that the opponent also has everything in order and there is a fair competition. The same goes for autosaves (with a note about a draw).
But in a tournament, you need to play hard. I took restarts because there weren't enough hives, I risked that they would give me a good hand – and I got blocked and lost. Lose the tournament and think about whether to take a restart in a similar situation next time.

I am FOR strict rules in tournaments.

KobRa_RR

11/26/2012 1:16 PM UTC

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Stinger - winning at any cost is still a win, and for many people... (

Dirty_Player

Let's just go to the point of absurdity and restart until we get a setup that suits both of us.

That's how Alex and I usually play)))

positive

In my opinion, you can give extra restarts in a seasonal game (fun games) where you practice the game, so that the opponent also has everything normal and there is a confrontation. The same goes for autosaves (with a note about a draw).
But in a tournament, you need to play hard. I took restarts because there were few hives, I risked that they would give me a good hand - I got blocked and lost. Lose the tournament and think next time whether to take a restart in a middle situation.

I AM FOR strict rules in tournaments.

I didn't do that even against those I had a conflict with. Pyotr can confirm. (CIS in Kyiv...)

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Gomunguls

11/26/2012 1:19 PM UTC

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Piterius

Even while the game was in progress, after asking my opponent how he was doing, I received the answer "not very well" and he suggested a mutual pause. When 7 heroes had been purchased and this situation was revealed on the chat, he replied that it wasn't true, that he had a hidden stash of devils and everything was fine. What a bluffer!

My response was given at the moment I scouted the area. On one side, there was a blockade of golems, and on the other, swordsmen blocked the passage... When I found the hidden stash of devils near the city and figured out the possible routes, I realized that everything was fine...

Regarding the pause, I only said that I was blocked from exiting, and if there's only one road to the capital, it's essentially a restart. You replied that there's nothing about that in the rules... I had to play with what I had.

Regarding who posts victories on 111, well, if we had continued playing, the victory would have been later, not on turn 111. I wasn't against playing, although I don't think I was given an easy game...
There are many words said here about being afraid... it made me smile a lot :) ... read the posts above... I achieved victories over players who were stronger than Piterius... and "afraid" definitely doesn't apply here...

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Kilgor

11/26/2012 1:21 PM UTC

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=Stinger=

It's clear that the game starts with restarts.
In general, as I understand it, restarts are given so that some acceptable layout can be played. I don't understand one thing - why are wins on 111 posted? To save time, out of fear of losing with a different layout, or for some other reason?

In the season - yes, you need to give human restarts, but in a tournament, and one of the most prestigious on HeroesWorld, and in a decisive game, and with no restarts at all, full random on Jebus Cross.....

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Егор Коробейников

11/26/2012 1:29 PM UTC

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KobRa_RR

Stinger - winning at any cost is still a win, and for many...(

Winning according to the rules is a victory.
And this (endless restarts) is like saying, "Oh, I made a wrong move in chess, let me take it back," right? As far as I know, Cobra isn't playing by the rules by revealing the map, breaking blocks using cheats, and insulting the opponent during the game...

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positive

11/26/2012 1:32 PM UTC

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KobRa_RR

Stinger – winning at any cost is still a victory, and for many, it is. (

That’s how Alex and I usually play.)))

I didn’t do that even against those I had agreements with. Pyotr can confirm. (CIS in Kyiv…)

No, but there’s a truth here that skill is revealed in tournaments. That’s why I don’t see the point in constantly creating easy scenarios.
And doing this (playing aggressively) doesn’t mean being evil or anything else; it just means having clear rules.

Redwhait

11/26/2012 1:34 PM UTC

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The right approach is to understand that if you choose to play for keeps, you must also be prepared to lose and feel disappointed.

KobRa_RR

11/26/2012 1:35 PM UTC

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What I mean is, there's not much merit in defeating a strong opponent due to a terrible starting position for them and a great one for you. And generating "chocolate" is just a bad habit that needs to be broken.

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positive

11/26/2012 1:40 PM UTC

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KobRa_RR

My point is that there's not much merit in defeating a strong opponent due to a terrible starting position for them and a great one for you.
And generating "chocolate" is just a bad habit that needs to be broken.

Well, a strong opponent has 2 restarts. That's why he's a strong opponent – to assess the generations and understand which strategy to play, even if it's below average, because a restart might result in an even worse situation. He's a strong opponent. Over the long run, he will win. And the result of a single tournament is like in poker – not a reliable indicator.

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Dirty_Player

11/26/2012 1:52 PM UTC

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Piterius

You can come up with anything, any heap of examples, but in fact none of this was visible, only the Dragon Fly Hive behind the lizard horde, harpies still needed to be built, the tactician didn't come. The game couldn't be won further by force of imagining goodies.

Nothing prevented you from surrendering on 114 or 117, realizing that nothing could really be squeezed out of the situation.

=Stinger=

I don't understand one thing - why are forfeits posted on 111? To save time, out of fear of losing with a different situation, or for something else?

Forfeits differ. You can lose on 111 in different ways. Someone throws the game in the max crypt. Someone simply doesn't want to play a below-average situation. There could be many reasons.

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PReDS

11/26/2012 1:58 PM UTC

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I remember a game between Vic and Dubrovin on Jebus Cross: Vic had a decent setup, but overestimating his capabilities, he completely threw his army by either day 112 or day 113 (I watched the transmission). Grinding his teeth, Yura continued to play; when asked what the point was, he gave an elaborate answer about where we could go. On day 114, Dubrovin wrote that he was surrendering: he had also lost his army, but his nerves turned out to be weaker.

Dirty_Player

11/26/2012 2:02 PM UTC

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I recall my game with PReDS on Jebus at the Siberian qualifier for the CIS. I get completely wiped out on 113 and don't take the rest :)

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Егор Коробейников

11/26/2012 2:04 PM UTC

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KobRa_RR

My point is that there's not much merit in defeating a strong opponent due to a terrible map layout for them and a great one for you.
And generating "chocolate" is just a bad habit that needs to be broken.

Well, you still need to try to win against a strong player in a tournament. And a top player won't look for "chocolate" to win against an average or weak player. They can just mark one of their worst layouts, and they'll win all the others. And on XL maps, newcomers have almost no chance. And in tournaments, there are 2 brackets or best-of-3 matches, so there's no need to overestimate the role of the map generator. The Ogri are not fools; they and the players have found the balance between wasting time and the balance of the game at 113... So, in the finals of major championships, there weren't many lucky players...

Wlk777

11/26/2012 2:21 PM UTC

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There are two philosophies here: for some, the game itself is the most important thing, and any tournament motivation is absolutely irrelevant (Stinger, LeBron, for example, are like that). For others (and they are the majority), the main goal is to perform better in the tournament using all legitimate methods. I think it's pointless to discuss who is right and what tastes better, barbecue or condensed milk. IMHO.

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