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Dima Surmay
This is because if they have 10 and 13... then another game with our captain wouldn't make sense and would result in a technical defeat... and there's no point in contesting it in this situation... I hope there isn't.

Actually, I wrote to Vinceras that I agree to a technical defeat. (We agreed to play on the weekend, 3-4. I couldn't make it:( )
Dima Surmay, sorry that it turned out this way. There is very little time right now. I didn't quite calculate it correctly.:eek:
"Ни в какой игре не следует отчаиваться, пока она не проиграна"

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Dima Surmay
I couldn't find the report for the second round match between Vinceras and ded Mazai!!!!

So, it seems you, as the host, simply decided that these teams should advance to the playoffs? And just because you wanted it, other teams in the group are left with no options!
I would like to say right away that, as the host, I cannot and would not manipulate any results to suit my preferences. For the future, I would advise you to gather more accurate information before making any accusations, rather than flooding the forum with negativity.

Your position is only valid if a team is disqualified for match-fixing, but in that case, it's not the team that is disqualified, but the players. Moreover, according to that logic, we would have to wait indefinitely for every player to complete their matches, because what if they agree to a draw and we need to disqualify the team immediately?

I spoke with Vinceras and ded Mazai, and they couldn't find a time to play. Therefore, the most I could do was give them time to play the match, but since any result wouldn't affect the standings, I set the score to 0-0. However, if I had scheduled a date for the match, ded Mazai wouldn't have been able to attend due to a lack of time, and Vinceras would have won by default.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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With Vinceras and ded Mazai, we couldn't find a time that worked for both of them to play, so the most I could do was give them time to play the match, but since any result wouldn't affect the standings, I put 0-0, although, if I had scheduled a game for them, ded Mazai wouldn't have been able to make it due to a lack of time, and Vinceras would have gotten a technical win.


The result actually does matter, and my team needs Vinceras to win. If Vinceras wins, my team will only need to win against the captain of the Positive Hedgehogs to advance.
But you put us down for a loss, and I don't understand why... what makes my team worse than the others...? We'll find a replacement for our captain and use our last chance!!!!
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Dima Surmay
The result does matter, and my team needs Vinceras to win. If Vinceras wins, my team will only need to defeat the captain of the Positive Hedgehogs to advance. But for some reason, you predicted our defeat. Why? What makes my team worse than others? We'll find a replacement for the captain and use our last chance!
Your captain is missing, and you haven't offered any suggestions for a replacement. It's one thing to hope he'll return, but another to take action and be proactive. We talked about this on October 29th. At that time, we both hoped that bRitvo4kA would return. I planned to write preliminary conclusions about the players mid-week, but I didn't have time. This situation doesn't mean that your team should have treated its own team and your own results with indifference. Knowing that November 5th was the last day of the group stage and the results would be summarized (which, by the way, I was only able to do on the 7th due to being busy), neither you nor aka.Ward3n made any suggestions. And now, suddenly, on November 10th, you wake up and remember that things are going very badly for you in the tournament and you're ready to fight... It's too late. I've noted it in the table, but I missed it when writing the final post. bRitvo4kA IS DISQUALIFIED
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Your captain is missing, and you haven't suggested anyone to replace him. It's one thing to hope he'll return, and another to take action and be proactive.

We talked about this on October 29th. At that time, we still had hope that Britvo4kA would return. I was planning to write preliminary conclusions about the players mid-week, but I didn't have time. This situation doesn't mean that your team should have treated your own team and your own results with indifference. Knowing that November 5th was the last day of the group stage and the results would be summarized (which, by the way, I was only able to do on the 7th due to being busy), neither you nor aka.Ward3n made any suggestions. And now, suddenly, on November 10th, you wake up and remember that things are going very badly for you in the tournament, and you're ready to fight... It's too late.

I've added it to the table, but I missed it when writing the final post.
bRitvo4kA IS DISQUALIFIED
R55Max, as the tournament organizer, you should have at least contacted Britvo4kA or someone from our team to inform them of your decision to disqualify him. In principle, I don't have any complaints about you, but it probably would have been a good idea to do that. I don't know how it was for Dima, but I didn't receive anything about this in ICQ. Okay, there's no point in arguing after the battle, especially since I played poorly myself; I can only blame myself. Thank you for organizing the tournament, thank you to the team for the games and support, and thank you to the opponents for waiting for me at the beginning of the tournament. :smile54:
Когда рестартов не осталось, обязательно ждите Гурниссона без балисты:D

Комплимент который сделал мой день:
Катя ЭПИК барышня) вы бы видели как пялились на её сиськи молодёж) я та с девушкой был) но всё равно пялился ) потому что хорошие) (с) Browser

Слабая раздача, которую заиграл исключительно из-за колпака на 111. (с) Сатир

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R55Max
Your captain has disappeared, and no suggestions for a replacement have been made by you. It's one thing to hope he returns, and another to take action and be proactive.

I asked you not to impose technical defeats on us, and as soon as a decision is made about his removal, we will look for another captain. If we don't find one, I agree with the technical defeats.
What else did you need? What other suggestions or proactive actions? What was so difficult to communicate to me personally, or even better, on the website, that you disqualified him?
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R55Max, as the tournament organizer, you should have at least contacted Britvochka or someone from our team to inform them of your decision to disqualify him. In principle, I don't have any complaints against you, but it would probably have been a good idea to do so. I don't know about Dima, but I didn't receive anything in ICQ. Anyway, after the battle, there's no point in arguing, especially since I played poorly myself; I can only blame myself. Thank you for organizing the tournament, thank you to the team for the games and support, and thank you to the opponents for waiting for me at the beginning of the tournament.:smile54:
I did contact Britvochka, Tiamat, and Dima. And by posting this, you apparently didn't even bother to ask Dima Surmay if I had contacted anyone.

Towards the end, my time was severely limited, and I also had to deal with issues related to my group as captain. I am not obligated to provide advance notice of any decisions. You yourselves should have taken initiative and shown diligence if you were interested in something. If you haven't noticed, there were plenty of warnings! :
Starting with the first post in this thread:
- Information on the progress of the tournament will be updated approximately once a week, depending on availability and the frequency of matches - more often if possible.
(There weren't many matches.)

If you are unable to play for some reason during the tournament period (more than two weeks), please inform the organizer!
(This is in response to the fact that I should have contacted Britvochka.)

Now, regarding specific examples:

1. /topic/at/613993/
I quote:
"Group B

Player Marduk has been disqualified from the tournament due to insufficient activity and complete lack of communication. Player `no1_knows_me` takes his place....
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[Although AK disqualified player Vigo, which seems logical to me, it is worth noting that as team captain, he was quite active and responsible in terms of solving tasks directly related to his team! He worried about the games, communicated, and eventually suggested a replacement for the lagging player, and he wasn't the only one who took action. At least three other captains participated in this to some extent, worrying about the overall outcome of the games. And if there is no captain, the team should take his place.]

The closer we get to the end of the group stage, the more problems teams whose players are behind in matches will face."

Does this suggest anything?

2. /topic/9145/
There are 14 days left until the end of the group stage!


I warn you that in case of any unfinished matches, players must contact IN ADVANCE with all explanations regarding the reasons for the unplayed matches and provide logs of communication with opponents, based on which decisions will be made in favor of either party.

Captains, discuss all games with your players, and it would be good to know from you at the end of the month how things are going in your squads. Talking to two players from your team (or someone from other teams) in detail over two weeks shouldn't be difficult.

Make arrangements now; don't complain later!
Are the hints unclear here too? Did you or Dima communicate with anyone from the opposing teams? What did you find out? Why didn't you tell me? Where is the suggestion for a replacement?

3. /topic/9145/
bRitvo4kA - has not played 3 games, rarely seen, doesn't communicate, hard to arrange, almost always delays until the last moment; please be more active, technical defeat is approaching.
Dima Surmay - has not played 2 games, we'll wait...

The situation in the group is interesting; much will depend on the confrontation between Boevye Edinoroги - Pozitivnye Ezhi, but Team Tri Bogatyrya may also miss out on the playoffs! It's time to get actively involved!

Still not enough information?
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I asked you not to give us technical defeats, and as soon as there is a decision about his removal, we will look for another captain, and if we don't find one, I agree with the technical defeats.

A decision about removal is made when the player is already behind in matches and does not respond. On October 29th, we were waiting for him to start playing. He didn't start, and you did nothing. You should have contacted him and shown initiative!!!
What else did you need? What other suggestions or actions?
It wasn't needed by me, but by you! You needed a suggestion for a replacement for Britvochka! Read point 5 of the first post:
5. To avoid withdrawals from the tournament, captains and the withdrawing player are responsible for finding a replacement; if the captain withdraws, the team must look for a new captain; if this fails, talk to the captains of other teams so that they can provide you with a reserve player.
Was it difficult to tell me personally, or even better, on the website, that you had disqualified him?
It was difficult for me. It's very difficult to keep all the information related to correspondence in ICQ and generally regarding the tournament.
Was it difficult for you to ask again after mid-week?
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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I understand, we won't reach an agreement here. However, the tournament was still good, may the strongest win!
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Three Bogatyrs - Troglodytes in the Mist 1-0
11.11.2012 HellLighT(blue,Ramp,Luna/Tazar) def Kilgor(red,Inferno,Moner) jebuss 131


Repelled all restarts, the spawn layout for luck turned out to be wonderfully fortunate...

Week 1

A massive tasty respawn, with fairly convenient Dragon Fly Hives, but annoying mini-blocks and money problems. Started with 9 elves, spread out into 6 heroes, there's a stable, then everything went like in a fever dream... the wild weekend took its toll, mistake upon mistake, losing troops over trivial things just to break through to a secondary hero, when I should have been grabbing the revealed external dwellings for horses and taking the Hives... On the 9th or 10th hero, Luna appears on 113, bought her out only on 114, immediately gave her a Pandora's Box with 10k experience, expertized earth magic. The ГО of the Hydra group could have been broken right away, but Slow wasn't found anywhere. Freed Tazar, level one, from prison, also gave him a Pandora's Box with 10k experience... revealed a Tome of Fire Magic, and an external market literally along the path through wasteland... through brilliant manipulations at the market, I exchange piles of resources, set up portals in 2 Dungeon villages, and on 150 MP I can't chain the link to the horse external dwelling... and why would I need them, I'm quite the horse myself ;( 117, 1-6 in the castle.

Week 2

The curse of clumsiness gradually wears off, and in 1 turn on 121 I gather 24 Wyverns and 2 Angels from the single Griffin Conservatory, but then someone casts Forgetfulness on me and on 123 I almost get myself killed on the ГО with Luna and 1 Angel, not noticing that after the morale proc, the Angel moved and one Hydra got initiative and flew straight towards it... not without help, I got out of this nightmare alive and unharmed, but immediately hit a block of dual Archmagi, had to wait for 124 and Tazar with Tactics. The inconvenient position of the exit to the treasure zone reduced my chances, but the opponent had a similar situation... I release the handsome Grek from prison, level 30, who grabbed 2 Dragon Utopias. Tazar, with the help of the Cloak of the Undead King, takes a Pandora's Box with 3 gold (forgot to mention the treasure zone turned out to be our own, but without Dragon external dwellings...) Luna squeaks with joy, ready to use Haste on everything alive. Using View Air, I figured out where to run, but fell a bit short of the central town, killing the opponent's scrubs along the way, who, sensing the smell of Armageddon in the air, immediately high-tailed it ;) I break into a village, double my mana, go back. Through View, I see 2 opponent heroes not far from the road. Without thinking long, I check with a cockroach, there's Moner - one step away from a Dragon Utopia and facing it... looks like he didn't make it - indeed, the max Dragon Utopia - fell in no time. I attack Moner with a scrub, magic can be cast - that's already good. I attack with Luna to annet, after a buyback I attack with everything I have using Taz with the Orb of the Firmament and the Cloak +2 speed... stats are one and a half times higher, slightly less meat, but Taz is Taz anywhere. After a few turns, at a critical moment, 2 anti-morale procs hit the opponent's key stacks, completely eliminating any chance of victory. Thanks for the game.

I'd like to note that Kilgor is one of the most pleasant people I've had the chance to play with; we quickly found common ground even on contentious issues, not to mention the opponent's trust. Getting ready for the rematch ;)

p.s. Attaching the saves, if anyone is interested - try to realize this spawn layout in single-player. Around 113, Luna appeared, I think it might have been possible to break everything on the first week even without her.
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Three heroes - Troglodytes in the fog 2-0 11.10.2012 Vinceras (red, Inferno, Peer) def. Yegor Korobeynikov (blue, Tower, Daremyf) 8mm6a, 132 There were a lot of good units. Calh arrived with 2 stacks, a hidden Grog and 2 Imps. In the first battle, he entered a 20-unit Dwarven stronghold with a large stack and emerged with 20 Grog and 1 pet. He was only saved by the fact that the Dwarves didn't morale at all. On turn 117, he reached the computer's castle, which was in a castle with a Fortress and Efreet and Mushussu. On turn 121, he killed him, despite the fact that he was morale-boosting like crazy, but the ballista helped. There were many cons, he checked one at the computer's - a 2-unit one, didn't think it through, entered, and had 40 Griffons left. The situation was difficult, but there was a small army. In general, on turn 131, he went to the center, took a 3-unit con, the whole army was 5 Angels, some Efreet and pets, plus growth in the castle, and there were 3 more cons in reserve, but the opponent was setting a trap, and it turned out to be even sadder there. Thank you for the game.
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Three heroes - Trogolodites in the fog 2-0

10.11.2012 Vinceras (red, Inferno, Peer) def. Yegor Korobeynikov (blue, Tower, Daremyf) 8mm6a, 132

He got a lot of resources, but things turned out even worse for him.
Thanks for the game.
How should I understand "he got a lot of resources, but things turned out even worse"?
Basically, I wanted to play more aggressively, but the computer I was using was running at 114-5, and it was lagging. Then it returned to normal, and I took back my Castle. I decided to take his Castle (a fatal mistake). He used an Archer to kill 40 Gremlins, then attacked me on day 121 with Nagas, 8 Mages, and all the Gremlins (they didn't take the town because I bought out the garrison and bought a Shog with the remaining army - I didn't have enough money for Nagas). Oh yeah, when he attacked with Nagas, Mages, and the Gremlin reinforcements, he also had a decent army: a level 1-4 army, and during the battle, he used Archers, dealing about 10 damage (-4 Mages and -50 Gremlins...).
On day 131, I wanted to build Birds on the second level in the Flask, but I couldn't. I bought 2 creatures for 5 coins and sacrificed them. I took the Hive on day 8. And I attacked 28 Efreet without a Garrison.
If I had played that battle better, my chances would have increased significantly, although they were there (the hero had 200 mana, and all the air units were near the main town...).

(When he attacked me, I wanted to use Chain Lightning twice, but I was greedy (if I had exchanged the Angel for a Duck, I would have had 3k gold for the army, and I could have continued playing, but I rushed and thought they wouldn't kill me=(...)).

Thanks for the game.
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I think he meant that he got lucky with the initial distribution, but things turned out worse for him in the end.
Basically, he wanted to play more aggressively, but the computer he was using was running slowly (around 114-5), and then it returned to its normal speed, and he regained control of his Castle. I decided to take his Castle (a fatal mistake). He used an Archer to eliminate 40 Goblins, and then attacked him on turn 121 with Nagas, 8 Mages, and all the remaining Goblins (they didn't engage on turn 1 because I bought off the attack and bought a Shaman with the remaining army – I didn't have enough money for Nagas). Oh, and when he attacked with Nagas, Mages, and the newly recruited Goblins, he also had a decent army: a mix of units from levels 1-4. During the battle, he used Archers about 10 times, dealing -4 damage to the Mages and -50 damage to the Goblins.
He wanted to place Birds on turn 2 in a Flask, but couldn't. On turn 131, he bought 2 units for 5 coins and sacrificed them. He took the Hive on turn 8 with Vivs. And then attacked 28 Efreet without a Garrison.
If I had played that battle better, my chances would have increased significantly, although they were already there (the hero had 200 mana and all the air units near the main Castle...).

(When he attacked me, I wanted to use Chain Lightning twice, but I was greedy (if I had exchanged the Angel for a Duck and had 3k gold for the army, I could have continued playing, but I rushed and thought they wouldn't kill me=(...)).

Thanks for the game.
I think he meant that he got lucky with the initial distribution, but things turned out worse for you
Когда рестартов не осталось, обязательно ждите Гурниссона без балисты:D

Комплимент который сделал мой день:
Катя ЭПИК барышня) вы бы видели как пялились на её сиськи молодёж) я та с девушкой был) но всё равно пялился ) потому что хорошие) (с) Browser

Слабая раздача, которую заиграл исключительно из-за колпака на 111. (с) Сатир

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Three bogatyrs - Troglodytes in the fog 1-0
11.11.2012 HellLighT(blue,Ramp,Moon/tazar) def Kilgor(red,Inferno,moner) jebuss 131

Cleared everything possible from the respawn. The respawn is small, there are no stables or external market. With great difficulty, devils were established; I took their external dwelling. There are 4 hives at the respawn and 3 of them are minimals, 2 cons - 1 and 2. That's the whole army. There was a earth book, but absolutely no mana (the moner has level 11 with 2 knowledge); I'm using my last skill points to max out earth and I move out on 123. Ate 5 hives, took the slag Dragon Utopia; nothing for parameters at all, but there is a moon with sp 31 :eek: . Trying to reach the only Dragon Utopia I've seen, short by 100 mp. And of course, at that moment, a taz runs out of the darkness, eats it and attacks.
Thanks for the game.

P.S. To hell with them, the parameters; if there were even just bracers, everything would have changed cardinally.
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aka.Ward3n
I assume he meant to say that it dealt you a good hand, and you're sad about it;)
I got a decent draw, better than usual.
It's just that Conflux got stuck in the darkness somewhere, then came back and seized the town, and I didn't have a marketplace and was just a bit short on nagas.
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11/12/2012 Saharki - First pancake is a flop 2:1 (WWL : LLW) second round
theShevanesian (red, Dungeon, Ajit, Ivor) def zloy_romantik (blue, Tower, Dermit, Nella) 6LM10A 141
He gave up the mantichore lair; we ran around, and on the second turn, I took a companion from the Dungeon and went into the Treasury. I improved my stats; there were options to summon a demon, and I scouted two super-Treasuries (I cleared one, and I had plans for the other). On turn 141, my opponent, seeing no prospects, surrendered. Thanks for the game!

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