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#4600
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Normal peaceful players wouldn’t do that, as it would only further complicate the city.

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#4601
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Normal peaceful players, if there is a role similar to "Hohol," will consider this option as well. A normal peaceful player, once their role is revealed, will switch to the appropriate side at the right time.

And again, you can't change the rules to suit "normal" and "abnormal" players.
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#4602
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Don't you think that the role is verified during investigations?
Where? In psychology? Of course, it's verified, but it's much more difficult to verify there.
With clues, it's simpler.
Five people can hint at belonging to the same role. Who will you check? You'll over-check.
It's nothing complicated. At night, this role moves in a certain way, or people go to it.


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Отдай свои прошлые сны,
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В бешеном танце душа кружится!
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#4603
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This has never happened before. If someone reveals another player's role, someone else will start arguing with them. The first one will be executed, and the second one (with the real role) will be killed by the Mafia at night.

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#4604
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Pff. Zubr. Five players are joining. Who will you go with? In what specific way? It's as if you haven't played before. There are many options where the Mafia can outsmart.
Four other players are playing along with my role, while the rest are divided and shouting "go to Us1," "go to Us2," "think for yourself," but I want to go to Us3.
Or not. No. I'm inactive, and I overslept.

Where it's more difficult: Doctor's serum, Commissioner's check, Sheriff's shot, Mana's shot, voting.
And only if five players are revealed, it will be much more difficult. Four townspeople and one role. And no one will confess. The difficulty lies here.

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Orandor, just because it wasn't there doesn't mean it can't be. You're relying on the players' abilities. But you need to do the opposite.
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#4605
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Pfft. Zubr. Five players show up. Who do you go to? In what specific way? It's like you haven't played. There are many options where the Mafia will outsmart you.
Four other players are playing along with my role, while the rest are divided and shouting "go to Us1," "go to Us2," "think for yourself," but I want to go to Us3.
Or not. No. I'm inactive, and I slept through it.
It seems like we're talking about different games. I'm talking about the ones on Hv. In half of the cases, any reveal will check for a block; in the other half, it will reveal role characteristics or the same notes. There are few opportunities where a reveal will actually work, and even those are based solely on the inactivity of most players.
Where it's more complex: Doctor's serum, Commissioner's check, Sheriff's shot, Mana's shot, voting.
Shots are a post-mortem check; what does that have to do with it? Are you going to deny that there are roles in psychology that are easy to reveal?


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Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
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#4606
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It seems you're talking about the same game as I am, but a different situation. Everything that concerns you is in my messages. Your argument, "this happened rarely," is weak. No, these are the possibilities for checks, even posthumously. For example, when roles are still being revealed. Please. Two homeless people have been revealed. Check them. Four homeless people have been revealed. Check them.
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#4607
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Your argument is "mu-hryu, this happened rarely." It's a weak argument.
It's not that weak. It sounds like: "This is possible, but rarely happens."
Please. Two homeless people have been identified. Check them.
Four homeless people have been identified. Check them.
In psychomafia, it will be difficult to verify, and I don't argue with that. In street mafia, there are block-redirections and other things.


Барон
"Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
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#4608
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I mean that it's difficult both there and here. Especially when there's a possibility to leave and, essentially, not "investigate." It wasn't investigated. And he didn't say, "Okay, guys, I'm going to hint, catch my gestures," you know?
You can be paranoid as much as you want. And spend half the game checking.
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#4609
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My point is that it's difficult in both cases. Especially when there's an option to leave and there's no actual "unmasking." It wasn't unmasked. And he didn't say, "Okay, guys, I'm going to start hinting, catch my gestures."
You can be paranoid as much as you want. And spend half the game checking.
Take any of the last 5 games and tell me which role could be successfully played with deception.


Барон
"Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
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#4610
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Well, here you go again with your "fake disappearance." You're not even reading what I'm writing, are you?) Can I just avoid repeating myself?
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#4611
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Here you go again with your "false reveal." You're not even reading what I'm writing, are you?) Can I just not repeat myself?
You're starting to nitpick at words. If two players are revealed, then one of them is definitely a false reveal, regardless of whether they're a town member or a mafia member. In fact, there's no need to even talk about town members here, as they don't need to use such tactics in these games.


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"Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!



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#4612
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I'm not nitpicking about the words. I'm just separating them. Reread what I wrote about the "palivo."

And no, you're thinking too narrowly. I'm saying that even a peaceful character can engage in "psichomafia."
Just decide what you're talking about.
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#4613
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No. You're thinking too narrowly. I'm saying that even a peaceful player can fake a reveal in psychomafia.
Just decide what you're talking about.
I'm not talking about psychomafia. There are no problems with reveals there. I'm talking about the HvH (Hero vs. Hero) mafia.


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Отдай свои прошлые сны,
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Не думай, что будет потом,
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#4614
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So, what do false autopsies have to do with anything? Autopsies are prohibited. This is just a minor detail of a natural occurrence. In short, to avoid repeating myself, reread the first posts and what is addressed to Orandoroshik-goroshik. That's all.
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