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Play Heroes_HP - I hope you'll quickly get into the gaming rhythm. Marduk - no contact with him, Vigo, you two need to get active. AlexAG - good that you're in touch, it's all about the games. Shock13 and our entire group, put in the effort, coordinate, there isn't as much time left as it seems.
I'd like to wish the rest to finish the group stage games as soon as possible, so as not to leave everything to the last moment.
First pancake is lumpy - Lucky Orden: 1st round LWW - WLL = 2:1
I suggest creating a topic (an official one) where tournament organizers can write about all the unruly players, cheaters, and those who withdraw from tournaments; in general, they can make notes and share their observations on different players who have shown themselves during this tournament (I want to emphasize that it should be specifically during the tournament organized by the person writing, but not before or after). Also, create a topic opposite to negativity, i.e., where players receive more specific words of gratitude for participating in the tournament.
In this topic: - Information about awarding the Black Mark of Cheater (BMC) to players caught cheating... - Remarks and complaints against participants in tournaments from Organizers: violations of tournament deadlines, unethical behavior (unjustified disputes, rudeness, both on the forum and in personal communication, ignoring requirements and decisions of the Organizers and AK, submitting an application to participate in a tournament followed by ignoring games, players, and the Organizer, failing to appear at the agreed time, unjustified difficulties in finding a mutually acceptable time for the game, delaying finishing the game, etc.). Punishment is up to the Organizer, up to disqualification from all games of the tournament and prohibition from participating in future tournaments. Based on such lists, other Organizers of subsequent tournaments have the right to refuse to accept applications for participation from "distinguished" players. - Remarks and complaints from the Tournament Committee regarding unscrupulous Organizers of tournaments....
What is this? — Petrosyan's best joke 0WW- 0LL 2-0 second round Dimast (blue Castle Christian) def Stryfe (red Inferno Calid Tazar) 133 Panic On day 1, horses spawned in the castle, along with a bow nook. Found a consulate at 3-4 with Haste on day 2 in the grass but didn't take it. Went out to the respawn, split up there, cleared 2 secondary heroes, took boots for the consulate on day 1. Christian got Air Shield, Tactics, and Logistics. On day 127, broke into the main, fully upgraded potions, took the consulate — turned out to be tier 3. Then I tried to break in and take the consulate from the opponent, but fell for Tazar with 6 units. Wanted to try and kill him, but was afraid to split the army — what if I don't kill him and can't regroup later? Just chased him away, blocked the path to the secondary. Next turn, after buying out Tazar, I couldn't bring in troops, so the opponent decided not to drag it out. Thanks for the game.
Dimast (blue Castle Christian) def Stryfe (red Inferno Calid Tazar) 133 Panic What is this? — Petrosyan's best joke 0WW- 0LL 2-0 second round on turn 1 got cavalry in the castle, and hid archers, found a Griffin Conservatory 3-4 with Haste on turn 2 on grass didn't take it, went to the respawn there scattered hit 2 secondary heroes, took boots for the Griffin Conservatory 1, Christian got Air, Armor, Tactics, Logistics, on 127 broke into the main greased up potions, took the Griffin Conservatory it turned out to be a level 3, break in to take the Griffin Conservatory from the opponent, but fell for Tazar with 6 units, wanted to try to kill him, but was afraid to split the army, thought if I don't kill him I won't gather it back, just chased him away, blocked the path to the secondary hero, next turn couldn't bring troops by buying back Tazar, the opponent decided not to drag it out. Thanks for the game.
Yeah, it was. On the first turn I got Dwellings of Pits and Demons and placed 1-5 in the Citadel with a marketplace and a thousand. On the second turn I started to demonize, found a Griffin Conservatory (guarded by a stack of Snipers, couldn't check — but it was max level!) next to the opponent's secondary hero. On turn 132 Tazar was standing on units next to the Griffin Conservatory, but he was sent to the tavern. Next turn the scout hero was a couple of tiles short of capturing the enemy secondary hero and buying Tazar there, so in the end couldn't transfer the army to him... otherwise it would have been decent — 80+ Demons and 20+ Pits. Thanks to you too!
Sevensan
13 years ago
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I don't understand anything about this table! Is it hard for you to put 0-1 in another cell, or what? So that it's 1-0 on one side and 0-1 on the other! So that everything is clear! What nonsense.
PlayHeroes_HP - I hope you'll quickly get back into the game.
1. I have 3 games, and one hasn't been posted yet (cnn.ppl). 2. I'm quitting Heroes again because I don't have enough time for it. All 6 days, 6-7 lessons + extra classes for preparing for the exams, I'm incredibly tired, and I wouldn't want to spend my only day off (Sunday) on computer games when I have things to do in the garden, or at least just go for a walk with friends in the fresh air. So, I'm withdrawing from the tournament, give me the consolation prize as you promised....:smile39:
I don't understand this table at all! Is it hard for you to put 0-1 in another cell, or what? So that it's 1-0 on one side and 0-1 on the other! So that everything is clear! It's nonsense.
Sevensan, stop with your hysterics.
What do you mean you don't understand? People are asking specific questions about what they don't understand. Those who didn't understand contacted me in ICQ for clarification (who played against whom), received the answers, and everything became perfectly clear. There were no specific questions from you, which should have been done immediately.
The table is quite clear and very easy to view if you get answers to what you can't figure out. Many participants have thanked me for such an informative table that they like. Naturally, I will not change it, because:
Is it hard for you to put 0-1 in another cell, or what? So that it's 1-0 on one side and 0-1 on the other!
IT CANNOT BE DONE, because each player plays 2 games!
Now I will explain how to understand it.
1.Let's take your game with Satyr. You lost the first game, and you have 0-1 next to him. If you win the second game against him, he will also have 0-1 next to him! i.e., 3 games next to your nickname are the games of the 1st round, and the games indicated with arrows are the games of the 2nd round (return matches with the same opponents).
Note that your game with Satyr is in a red cell (i.e., you chose 3 templates, and he chose the one you play on and the starting color). Satyr's return game (cell) with you is also in red, because he will now choose the templates, and you will play on the one he chose and the starting color in the game.
2. Let's take a more complex example. For example, how to view the game marajan - Dimast and what the result was in the 1st round and what in the 2nd:
Picture:http://clip2net.com/s/2n08r (in this picture, the 2nd round is not with blue, but with yellow arrows, I made a mistake in the link).
These players are from the 2nd group, so there are numbers 2 in black squares next to them. We slowly but surely move vertically and horizontally from these two numbers, located opposite each player, to the intersection and find the desired game cell! One intersection is the 1st round, the other is the 2nd, and these are two different games!
The problem is not in the table, but in you, learn to read chess tables, and if you don't understand something, you can always ask in a private message, find out the details, and everything will become clear to you!
The tournament table is identical to any normal chess table! The only difficulty in reading is the INABILITY TO READ THEM, and the secondary difficulty is taking into account the team result factor, but the projection of matches of a specific player against a specific opponent remains absolutely the same!
P.S.: If after this you still don't understand something, ask specifically about a certain square in a private message in a normal form, I will explain it to you, that's why I'm writing here. And in the future, learn to communicate before you get hysterical and spit on what you just don't understand.
Message from PlayHeroes_HP: 1. I have 3 games, one was not posted (cnn.ppl). 2. I'm quitting Heroes again due to a complete lack of time for them. All 6 days, 6-7 lessons + extra classes in preparation for the OGE, I'm terribly tired, and I wouldn't want to spend my only day off (Sunday) on computer games when I have things to do in the garden, or at least just go for a walk with friends in the fresh air. In short, I'm withdrawing from the tournament, give me a default win as you promised....
I don't have the authority to do that, but I will make a request and I will defend it. "Thank you" for another and EVERY TIME undermining the tournament.
Сатир
13 years ago
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The best Petrosyan joke is - Nas Rat Satyr (blue, Flax, Labeta, Sorsha) def Piterius (red, Dungeon, Alamar, Vidomina) 134 Spider
I was writing a report, but I accidentally hit a random key on the keyboard and everything went wrong :(. Maybe Piterius will tell something interesting.
The best Petrosyan joke is "Nas Rat" Satyr (blue, Flax, Labeta, Sorsha) def Piterius (red, Dungeon, Alamar, Vidomina) 134 Spider
I was writing a report, but I accidentally hit a random key on the keyboard and everything went wrong :(. Maybe Piterius will tell something interesting.
Thanks for the game, 1:1.
Nothing interesting, I decided to play with a weak Dungeon lineup against Flax when I still had 1 rest. I should have taken a risk and surrendered immediately instead of trying to salvage the un-salvageable:).
Dimast
13 years ago
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I'm glad you mentioned me as an example in the table. I understand that the voting results can be hidden under a spoiler or removed altogether, as I'm not sure who needs them. Besides, no one seems to care about them, so either remove them or let those who want them copy them, but scrolling down to the table is tiring, and it's not just my opinion.
R55Max, I apologize, but I agree with Seventsan. The table is simply terrible. :smile11: If one player has 1-0, the other should have 0-1. And even better, when one has 1 and the other has 0. Then everything is clear to everyone. If there is a second round, that's not a problem. You can always add the result, for example, 2-0 or 1-1, and even better, just 2 and 0, then everyone will immediately understand everything. The same applies to teams: the results could simply be added together; it could be 3-3 or 5-1, etc.
I'll also add that the wording about two rounds could be replaced by saying that the participants play 2 games against each other, and the results should be entered into the table based on that. Or make 2 separate tables for each round, if that's really important. I understand that you took the system from football, but it's not the best option. Understand that everything should be simple, clear, accessible, and informative. Participants should be playing, not asking questions about tables, rules, or report writing formats. Be simpler, and people will be drawn to it. ;)
R55Max
13 years ago
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Dimast
Glad you used me as an example in the table, I understand. The voting results can be put under a spoiler or deleted, I don't know who needs them, seems like nobody. If anyone disagrees, let them say so, or let them copy it, but my finger gets tired scrolling to the table, and it's not just my opinion.
I understand it's inconvenient. At the start of the tournament, everyone really wanted to see the voting results, so I posted them. Only the creator can put them under a spoiler; I'll ask him, maybe he'll do it. I don't want to delete them entirely either, because this information is part of the tournament preparation, and the voting itself is quite interesting to look back on as history, for example. After all, there's a scrollbar on the right side of the browser ;)
Message from Dirty_Player: R55Max, sorry, but I agree with Sevensan. The table is just terrible. If one player has 1-0, then the other should have 0-1. Even better, when one has 1 and the other 0. Then everything is clear to everyone. If there's a second round, no big deal. You can always add the result, for example 2-0 or 1-1, or even better just 2 and 0, then everyone will understand immediately. Same with teams: results could simply be added up, it could be 3-3, or 5-1, etc. I'll also add that the wording about two rounds could be replaced by saying that participants play 2 games against each other, and enter results into the table based on that. Or make 2 separate tables for each round, if it's really that important. I understand you took the system from football, but it's not the best option. Understand, everything should be simple, clear, accessible, and informative. Participants should play, not ask questions about tables, rules, report formats. Keep it simple and people will be drawn in.
Well, chess tables exist not only in football, but in almost all sporting events.
At the time of creating the table, the relevant topic was how to create one table for everything. That you can add a second and third is obvious, but again, it's very inconvenient, including for me, to enter everything into different tables, especially since in reports many people write far from complete info (we've been telling people how to write season and simple tournament reports correctly for ages, but even now, experienced players periodically write them incorrectly). It's easier to find, for example, a tour in one table.
Regarding other options:
1. Write 2-0 for one, 0-2 for the other — I assure you, questions will start: "Is this like the players played until two wins?" And yet these are two completely unrelated games between them, counting towards different standings.
2. Write 1-0, 0-1 for one, and 0-1, 1-0 for the other — just try to imagine how that would look (you didn't write about this, but it's an option). Twice as many digits, a bigger table, eyes will get completely confused.
3. Write 2 for one, 0 for the other — again, there will be questions: "Are these points scored in the game? Why 2 points? And if only one game was played, they'll think it was a draw and that's 1 point for a draw."
In all these cases, all the listed misunderstandings will turn into questions about the team score. There would hypothetically be even more of these questions than the ones written above.
Now imagine how "easy" it will be later to calculate which team advances to the next round in case of a tie, when the blue win indicator comes into play! But this way it's much clearer — if there is a result next to you, it means the game was played; if there is none, there is no game, and the color in each cell corresponds accordingly. You don't need to remember if the first round game was played, look at who was what color, read what the red or blue color in the cell means, then do the opposite and play the 2nd round. But here it's immediately clear: if the cell is red, you choose 3 templates and go.
As for this:
Same with teams: results could simply be added up, it could be 3-3, or 5-1, etc.
No, this absolutely could not be done. It simply contradicts the entire concept of the tournament! Look at what you're suggesting: you're told that a game is played to 2 wins out of 3 games, the result of which gives one of them 3 points; then a 2nd game is played using the same principle. And you say, "Let's make it one and lump everything together."
The clearest example to explain this is volleyball. Zenit (Kazan) plays Dynamo (Moscow) — result 3-0 in sets, return game 1-3 in sets. Final result: both teams got 3 points each, but the set score is 4-3! In this case, sets are an additional indicator, just like in our tournament, consider each player's game a set in a match.
Regarding reports, I agree, it's a bit difficult and inconvenient. We experimented; next time we'll come up with something easier. Right now, changing anything is completely out of the question; it's easier to clarify things for the remaining few than to retrain everyone.
P.S.: I'll add one more thing.
If one player has 1-0, then the other should have 0-1.
That is never done in the world of sports when it comes to double round-robin group systems, unless it's option No. 2.
I'll also add that the wording about two rounds could be replaced by saying that participants play 2 games against each other, and enter results into the table based on that.
This wording cannot be replaced under any circumstances, because the players play in 2 rounds (one game each round), not just 2 times. The difference is that the 1st and 2nd rounds separate both games, while the wording "2 games" ties them together, leading to the proposal where the overall score becomes (5:1, 4:2, etc.)
3. If you write 2 for one and 0 for the other, questions will arise again. Are these the points scored in the game? Why 2 points? And if only one game was played, they will think it was a draw and that's 1 point for a draw.
There won't be any questions because all players know that 2 games are played. If there's a draw, the result will be 1.5-0.5. Anyone will understand that.
Games in groups are played in a round-robin system in 2 rounds (each team plays each other twice).
And it's easier to answer such a question than to teach people how to use your table with the help of screenshots. R55Max
No, it absolutely cannot be done that way. It simply contradicts the entire concept of the tournament! Look at what you're suggesting: you're told that a game to 2 wins out of 3 games will be played, and the result will give one of them 3 points, then a second game is played on the same principle, and you say let's make it one game and put everything together.
My bad. I didn't notice. Then you can write either 3-3, 6-0, or 4-1 for 2 rounds.
I won't argue with you, you're the organizer, and do as you want. But if there are complaints about the tables throughout the tournament, it's not the participants' fault, but the table's.
R55Max
13 years ago
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There will be no questions because all players know that two games are played. If there is a draw, the result will be 1.5-0.5. Anyone will understand this.
There are other inconveniences regarding this point, which I mentioned above.
There were complaints about the tables, and they should have been addressed because no one has ever created such a table (or rather, taking into account all the nuances of this tournament). I warned everyone about the complexity of the tournament from the beginning, as I took on the innovation and did my best. Unfortunately, I don't see a better alternative.
Half of the games have already been played, and judging by the fact that no one has played against the wrong player, we can conclude that the players understood who is playing against whom, except for Sev7nsan. Therefore, there is no need to invent stories about the fact that no one understood. I hope this will be the end of it.
Scorpiona
13 years ago
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Phoenix-Positive E}I{I: L0L-W0W=0-2 ; L0L-W0W=0-2
07.10.2012 Scorpiona (red, random, Swamp of Wistan, Vocal) lost to Tiamath (blue, random, Rampart, Melody?) 8MM6a 122
Started well, although there was nothing to gather skeletons on... Finished the week with victories in the castle. I probed and scouted both exits, placing snipers and guard towers in the center, and a block near the monks. I bought 122 skeletons, broke through the block, and captured the computer's town... and then I made a mistake by only giving skeletons to kill the computer's hero, but there were fat stacks of skeletons from Gosha + all the wasps and dragonflies were bought, resulting in the loss of the hero and the main stack of skeletons. On the next turn, the computer finished off Vocal and GG.
