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Pit for LM

13 years ago

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To .DiGGeR. I have moved your post to the topic How to play Heroes of Might & Magic III online via Hamachi?. I don't know the answer; maybe someone there can help.

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Javdet

13 years ago

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ariputra

A quote dated 1948:
Allen Dulles - head of US political intelligence in Europe, who later became the director of the CIA:
"Literature, theater, cinema - everything will depict and glorify the basest human feelings. We will support everyone who instills the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal, in short, all kinds of immorality in human consciousness. In governing the state, we will create chaos and confusion, we will imperceptibly but actively and constantly contribute to the arbitrariness of officials, bribery, and unscrupulousness. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will no longer be needed by anyone, they will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and insolence, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, betrayal, nationalism and hostility between peoples, all this we will cultivate in the minds of people. And only a few, very few, will guess what is happening, but we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a laughingstock, find a way to slander them and declare them outcasts of Soviet society. We will tear out spiritual roots, defile and destroy the foundations of Soviet folk morality. We will thus undermine generation after generation. We will start with people from childhood and adolescence.
We will always bet on youth, we will undermine, corrupt, and deprave it. That's how we will do everything."

I quite allow that these statements took place.
But:
1. Literature, theater, cinema, and later TV, that is, culture, was what we inherited from them. American culture was the first to corrupt. It was they who cultivated the cult of violence, sex, etc. Let's not forget the sex revolution that took place there in the 60s.
That is, in order to corrupt the Union, they first corrupted themselves.
2. We had drug addiction, but not on a comparable scale to theirs.
3. Drunkenness is a separate issue, as is bribery. And both of these are in our genes, so there is no point in instilling what already exists.
4. National hostility. It also exists in the United States - I know this not from TV or the internet, but from acquaintances. But due to the fact that nationalities are mixed, the hostility is of a local nature.
In the Soviet Union, the situation was different. The most multinational country in the world naturally implied potential conflicts, it was only necessary to add a little spark.
I agree with this in principle, but the principle of "divide and conquer" was not invented by Dulles.
5. Spirituality and morality were broken even before his speeches.

So, what is all this for: if they did participate, it wasn't that much;)

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Lider1

13 years ago

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Oelm

And, of course, Ariputra never had any opinions about this product.

How dare you?

Сатир

13 years ago

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Ariputra is really going off, my finger is tired from scrolling through his message :)

Oelm

13 years ago

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"A person who has no authorities, no point of reference, cannot be convinced of anything. It's just a waste of time."

Ariputra, if an authority tells you to jump off the roof, will you do it? And in general, you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word, judging by the quote.

But pride (a sense of one's own superiority) that has lived in our hearts since time immemorial says: "But what am I worse than them? I have MY own opinion, even if they have more experience in this matter, so what? My opinion is at least no worse, and I have no authorities, no one who could understand anything better than me."

Why can't a person who understands everything perfectly also be able to do everything perfectly?

Marmot

13 years ago

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As a strictly offline player, I am nevertheless very concerned about the problem of cheating (I periodically read your "after-action reports"), and I would like to make some suggestions. Their feasibility varies from realistic to nearly fantastical, but let's discuss them!
Combating cheating requires both technical and organizational measures.
Among the technical measures, the following are required: transitioning to the 3rd version of the HD mod with password-protected saves; it would be even better to password-protect the random maps themselves, and even more: it would be good to save tournament maps and saves in some new format whose structure is kept secret. Along the way, it would be good to develop (perhaps as an add-on to the HD mod) tools for conducting online games to replace the existing Hamachi and others—tools that work reliably, are easy to set up, do not conflict with other software, etc.
Organizational measures will face, first and foremost, the conservatism of the majority of players who react hostilely to any innovations. In that case, we could avoid changing the existing rules and instead, for example, create a Fair Play League, in which all games would be conducted under new rules.
What new rules do I mean? First of all, the League should be led by players known in the heroes' world as honest and incorruptible. Initially, every new player joining the League must complete 2-3 random maps in single-player mode based on the same templates used for online games, and provide the judging committee with saves and a Walkthrough description for review. Why? First and foremost, as someone correctly noted, every player has something called a playstyle. It is quite individual, like handwriting. Once the style is known in general terms, it is not difficult to see which actions a player takes according to a practiced scheme and which actions "deviate" from that scheme. These actions raise questions and suspicions and must be closely studied. Thus, after every game, saves should be provided to the judging committee or posted for public view, and players must write reports about the game as soon as possible, from which the train of thought should be clear: why they went there and not here, why they took or didn't take a certain object, fought a certain monster, etc. The judging committee must (and others may, if they wish) study the saves and reports, ask questions about unclear points, and deliver a verdict: whether the game was "clean" or not. And players are obliged to answer all questions without delay!
Next is the most important part: a trust rating for players is necessary, built specifically on the basis of past games and their analysis. After all, the main trouble is that proving cheating took place is practically impossible (except for the most blatant methods)! Therefore, relations here must be built on the principle of trust: whether the judges trust this result or not. If time and again a player's actions find no clear, convincing explanation, it can be assumed that something is fishy. I think players, for the most part, still value their reputation.
The following consideration is also linked to playstyle: one must play in such a way that their actions are sufficiently "transparent" and do not arouse suspicions of "dirty" play. The player themselves must understand what will look suspicious and must avoid such actions. It's not that difficult: if, for example, the main hero walked straight north for 10 days and then suddenly turned sharply west, this must be explained by what happened that day or what they saw in front of them. Explanations of the level "I decided to take a risk and I got lucky" should not be taken seriously. How many times must a player be "fairy-tale lucky" before everyone realizes they are simply "pulling their leg"?! The reason for every action must be visible! If this consideration is not made a rule—it's better not to play online at all!
Additionally, some method must be devised to make it difficult for exposed cheaters to re-register under a new nickname. Let a combination of personal data be used to identify the person: e-mail + ICQ + Skype + IP address (or range of addresses if it is dynamic) + mobile phone number + ... Creating a new mailbox is quick and easy, but changing all of the above together, if you aren't James Bond, is not so simple!
Actually, a suggestion just occurred to me that could eliminate 99% of cheating cases online! I understand that this will cause a storm of indignation and many will demand I be burned at the stake for blasphemy, but for the sake of victory over cheating, I dare to propose it. We need to remake the way random objects are generated so that the contents of all of them—from chests to dragon Utopias—are formed not at the start of the game, but at the exact moment they are taken, and the random number for this would be set by the system timer so that the randomness is completely unpredictable. Then maphack would become almost pointless, as no one could predict in advance what would drop in a Utopia: Angel Wings or Legion Boots. Of course, for offline, such a generation method is unsuitable, as it would instead increase the inequality of tournament participants and lead to players restarting the opening of every chest 20 times...
And a few more thoughts regarding the Dimension Door:
1. Why, if it is forbidden to dig up the Grail before visiting all obelisks, is it permitted to "jump" into the dark? These jumps in themselves are damn suspicious.
2. In general, why is Dimension Door not banned in online play? After all, obtaining it almost guarantees victory! I would ban it, but leave Fly, as Fly is only possible over already explored terrain. Or perhaps Fly should be banned as well. After all, these spells allow flying over any obstacles, monsters, and enemy heroes without fighting them!

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Lider1

13 years ago

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Marmot

1. Why is it that if digging up the Grail before visiting all obelisks is forbidden, "jumping" into the dark is allowed?

Why do you even need to visit all obelisks to dig up the grail? Let's look at the rules: 5.12. The Grail can be dug up after 5 weeks of gameplay.

Marmot

2. In general, why is Dimension Door not banned in online play? After all, obtaining it almost guarantees victory! I would ban it, but leave Flight, because Flight is only possible over already explored terrain. Or perhaps Flight should be banned too. Because these spells allow you to fly over any obstacles, monsters, and enemy heroes without fighting them!

The problem is that you haven't played, and don't play online. Especially HL maps. You would understand why. Through your own experience. It doesn't guarantee anything on its own. You sound like the WCL guys who have spent their whole lives playing without flight or DD.

Now look at what you wrote: DD means almost victory, but flight does not. Fine, we find Angel Wings and fly everywhere, no problem? But for DD, you actually need 20-25 mana. And according to the rules, it can only be used once. On HL maps, twice—and even then only with expert air magic. By the way, there's your answer as to why they use it. So that there aren't dates like in computer games, e.g., 5.1.1, 10.1.1, etc. And of course, this enriches the game. All sorts of game cuts change it—in the vast majority of cases, not for the better

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Marmot

Regarding technical measures, the following are required: switching to playing on HD mod version 3 with password-protected saves; even better would be to password-protect the random maps themselves, and even more: it would be good to save tournament maps and saves in some new format whose structure is kept secret. Simultaneously, it would be good to develop (perhaps as an add-on to the HD mod) tools for conducting online games instead of the existing Hamachi and others—tools that work reliably, are easy to configure, do not conflict with other software, etc.

Again, who is going to deal with this, and for free? Thanks to Baratorch for what he does and his attempts to polish the ND mod. Although I think the mod will protect against 95% of cases of unwanted intrusion into the game, it's still not a panacea for cheating, as there are disassemblers and various debuggers with which knowledgeable people can extract the password.

Marmot

Organizational measures will face, first and foremost, the conservatism of most players who reject any innovations. In that case, instead of making changes to existing rules, one could, for example, create a Fair Play League in which all games would be conducted under new rules.

What new rules do I mean? First of all, the League should be led by players known in the heroes' world as honest and incorruptible.

We have an Appeals Commission (AC) on our forum. Read the history of what happened to it. Even though no one officially abolished it and it still exists, it only handles situations with blatant cheating (simply resources or troops appearing out of thin air), but proving that a player cheated while broadcasting through Migo turned out to be impossible :smile32: And what an armageddon followed after that :D or simply a flame war.

Marmot

Initially, every new player joining the League must complete 2-3 random maps in single-player mode based on the same templates used for online games and provide saves and a walkthrough description for the judging commission's review. Why? First of all, as someone correctly said, every player has something called a playstyle. It is quite individual, like handwriting. Once the style is generally known, it is easy to see whether a player is following a practiced scheme or if certain actions "deviate" from that scheme. These actions raise questions and suspicions and must be closely studied. Thus, after every game, saves must be provided to the judging commission or posted for public view, and players are required to write reports about the game as soon as possible, which should make their thought process clear: why they went there instead of here, why they took or didn't take a certain object, fought a certain monster, etc. The judging commission must (and others may) study the saves and reports, ask questions about unclear points, and deliver their verdict: whether the game was "clean" or not.
And players are required to answer all questions without delay!

This won't achieve anything at all

Marmot

Next is the most important part: a trust rating of players is necessary, built specifically on the basis of past games and their analysis.

I have an immediate counter-question. Who is going to analyze all these games? Because that takes time. I've stopped reviewing my own games. Too much hassle! Although analyzing your own matches is a direct path to increasing skill. But often it's simply too much of a chore—you just want to play for pleasure and that's it. Not geek out over every move, who went where and why.

Marmot

The main problem is: proving that cheating took place is practically impossible (except for the most blatant methods)! Therefore, relationships here must be built on the principle of trust: whether the judges trust this result or not. If time and again a player's actions find no clear, convincing explanation, it can be assumed that something is fishy. I think players, for the most part, still value their reputation.
The following consideration is also linked to playstyle: it is necessary to play so that your actions are sufficiently "transparent" and do not raise suspicions of "dirty" play. The player themselves must understand what will look suspicious and must avoid such actions. It's not that difficult: if, for example, the main hero walked straight north for 10 days and then suddenly turned sharply west, this must be explained by what happened on that day or what he saw in front of him.

Explanations like "I decided to take a risk, and I got lucky" should not be taken seriously. How many times must a player get "fairytale luck" before everyone realizes they are simply "leading them by the nose"?! The reason for every action must be visible! If this consideration is not adopted as a rule—it's better not to play online at all!

You see, online is much more dynamic than completing some author-made map where the bot is an idiot. Here, it's a struggle against an opponent.
And for that, you need: scouting (maps), development (both towns and hero(es)), resource gathering, game tempo. You have to try to outperform your opponent in this. And with a standard of 8 heroes, where the army is passed back and forth along a chain, picking up all sorts of necessary things from chests to artifacts, cons, hives—the army can be split into several parts and scatter in different directions, primarily to scout for something even more useful. Usually, these are Dragon Utopia or powerful relics. The style also depends on the template, of course. Since people aren't bots, they understand the template; they imagine how to enter a treasury (where lots of tasty things lie behind strong guards), know roughly how to get to the opponent, and each tries to gain an advantage sufficient for victory in their search. There are examples of great chains where players pass the army from one treasury to another in 1 turn, working on two flanks simultaneously. But when new data appears, plans can change radically.

Also, it never happens that a hero walked in one direction for 10 days :D and then suddenly turned somewhere. They turn sharply, but not after 10 days :D You don't walk in one direction for 10 days here :D The whole game can end in 10 days. That's why it's very difficult to determine where a guy cheated and where his intuition worked.

Marmot

A way also needs to be devised to make it difficult for exposed cheaters to re-register under a new nickname. A combination of personal data should allow the person to be identified: e-mail + ICQ + Skype + IP address (or range of addresses if it's dynamic) + mobile phone number + ... Creating a new mailbox is easy and fast, but changing all of the above together, if you aren't James Bond, isn't that simple!

Again, it's easy to create an email, ICQ, Skype. Change IP via proxy and give a fake phone—who is going to check this phone? Or do you mean the forum might require a passport scan upon registration? :D
Or no one will set up flash cookies either; we've been unable to get an automatic rating for a year now—a year since all requirements for how it should be were formulated, and they asked to make it automatic god knows when, nobody is interested. Let alone identifying cheaters.

Marmot

Actually, a suggestion just occurred to me that could eliminate 99% of cheating cases online! I understand that this will cause a storm of indignation and many will demand I be burned at the stake for blasphemy, but for the sake of victory over cheating, I dare suggest it. The method of generating random objects must be redesigned so that the contents of all of them—from chests to Dragon Utopia—are formed not at the start of the game, but directly at the moment they are taken, and the random number for this would be set by a system timer so that the randomness is completely unpredictable. Then maphack will become almost pointless, because no one can predict in advance what will drop in the Utopia: Angel Wings or Legion Boots. Of course, such a generation method is not suitable for offline play, as it would instead increase the inequality of tournament participants and lead to players restarting the taking of every chest 20 times...

Yeah, spotted a console Trongo—a two. Then went in with an army and there were 4. Got wiped. Great :D

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Hermit

13 years ago

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Lider1

Yeah, I revealed a stronghold – a level 2 one. Then I tried to attack with my army, but there were 4 of them. I lost. Awesome :D

You need to be ready to take the maximum possible, just like with a Necropolis. :D

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ariputra

13 years ago

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Javdet

I fully admit that these statements may have taken place.
But:
1 Literature, theater, cinema, and later TV—that is, culture—we inherited from them. The Americans' culture was corrupted first. Specifically the cult of violence, sex, etc. Let us not forget the sexual revolution that happened there in the 60s
So it turns out that to corrupt the Union, they specifically corrupted themselves first)

Western ("American") culture degraded and became corrupted not on its own (nothing happens on its own), but due to the destructive influence of this Kali Age, as did all other cultures. It is simply that the speed of this degradation varies, depending on whether moral foundations have been preserved or not.

The Americans themselves (not their "government") are for the most part normal, friendly, religious people, very pious from a material point of view.

We inherited our culture from ancient, pre-Christian, Vedic or Venedic Rus, and not from "Americans." This western culture (or rather its complete absence) was only artificially introduced and imposed on the territory of Rus at least since the times of Peter I. The goal of which was to destroy the Vedic Slavic cultures.

And naturally, the methods and means by which they destroy the culture in Russia and the culture itself—the "American government," a Hasidic-Freemason group—were partially tested on their "own" people, the Americans.

Javdet

2 Drug addiction existed among us, but not on scales comparable to theirs.

After the "Americans" entered Afghanistan, the amount of narcotics produced there and supplied specifically from there to Russia increased dozens of times.

In India, China, Saudi Arabia, and many other countries, drug trafficking is punishable by death. In the USSR, it was also so for a time.

The point is that drug addiction does not spread on its own! It is artificially and forcibly imposed because territories and resources are needed now, but the population living in this territory, the bastards, do not want to die quickly.

Javdet

3 Drunkenness is a separate point, as is bribery. Both are in our genes, so there is no sense in grafting what is already there)

If you truly think that drunkenness is in our genes—then they have won!; they finally hammered into the head of the Russian and Slavic peoples that we are drunkards, that drunkenness is in our blood, in our genes since the creation of the world, that we never had our own culture, that before the arrival of European missionaries we were savages hanging from branches upside down.

But heavily concealed historical documents say quite the opposite:

For example, during Nicholas II, the level of alcohol consumed per capita was the lowest in the world! And this was only a hundred years ago!
In the USSR, the level of alcohol consumed per capita increased many times (compared to Tsarist Russia), but it was still far from the highest in the world.
But since the collapse of the USSR and the start of Gorbachev's "perestroika," for some reason it began to grow geometrically, and they started hammering into people's heads (there is no other way to say it) that a Russian person is a drunkard, a bribe-taker, and an ignoramus, and that he has always been drinking without waking up since the time of Adam and Eve. And they actually hammered it in!

At the moment, it stands at 18.5 liters of alcohol consumed per capita per year (including women and children!).
According to sociological scientists studying this issue, at 14 liters of alcohol consumed per capita per year, irreversible degradation begins, the withering of a nation.

What can be said about the pre-Christian Vedic, Venedic culture—by the time of the bloody baptism of Rus by "Vladimir Krasno Solnyshko," which occurred approximately 1000 years ago, this Vedic culture had already existed for more than 4000 years; during this process (baptism), more than 40,000 volkhvs (priests) were simply killed, and the population of Rus (or Tartary or the land of Gardariki as the Greeks called it) decreased from 9 million to 3 million. Genealogies were destroyed, history was completely rewritten, the alphabet and language distorted.

And these ancestors of ours were not alcoholics, drunkards, bribe-takers, cowards, or ignoramuses, as they try in every way to convince us.
They were intellectuals, brave warriors, traders, skilled builders, etc. Women were raised from childhood in chastity, in respect for father and mother, for elders, in respect for their future husband as a Master. In men, control of feelings and responsibility were cultivated from childhood. A red thread through all the upbringing of a man was the idea that there are only 2 deaths worthy: in battle defending the principles of religion and morale without showing one's back to the enemy, and in the realization of God (that is, trying to realize that I am not this coarse physical body, nor even a subtle mental body, but a soul residing inside these bodies, like a driver inside a car).

Can such a people be defeated?
And those who planned and practically implemented a project so grandiose in its scale and treachery understood this perfectly. But by making them drink, corrupting them, and destroying their culture, any people can be defeated without fire or sword.

Javdet

4 National enmity. In the States it also exists—I know not from TV or the internet, but from acquaintances. But because nationalities are mixed, the enmity has a local character
In the Sovok, the situation was different. The most multinational state in the world naturally implied potential conflicts; one only had to add a little spark.

So the reason for national enmity is that people of different nations (faiths, views, world-understandings) live side by side in one country?

India today is the most multi-confessional country; why then is there no such enmity there?

In my view, the reason lies not in the number of nationalities per square meter living within one state, but in the level of culture.

Javdet

I basically agree here, but the postulate "divide and conquer" was not invented by Dulles.

You are right, this is a principle of Kali—the personality known in the Bible as the devil, the tempting serpent.

And Kali who comes in the fourth, final epoch of the cycle, after Satya-yuga (1 728 000 years), Treta-yuga (1 296 000 years), Dvapara-yuga (864 000 years), into Kali-yuga (432 000 years) in which we live.

In the Bhavishya Purana there is a section that tells the story of the beginning of Kali-yuga, about Adam and Avyevati (Adam and Eve)—there Kali says to the sages gathered in the Naimisharanya forest that to stop the destructive influence of this Kali age, they must perform their duty while he will perform his. And that he will spread his influence through Adam and Avyevati, through Adam's tribe.

Javdet

5 Spirituality and morality were broken before his speeches.

That is exactly the point—that the culture of the Russian people (the most rebellious, in their words) was destroyed long before him, with him, and they continue to destroy both the culture and the people today.

Large-scale intoxication, corruption, and destruction of the moral foundations of society began in the time of Peter I: who left as a young fair-haired youth speaking Russian perfectly on a journey through Europe for several months—and returned after 2 years as a 40-year-old dark-haired man, not speaking Russian until the end of his reign, suffering from epilepsy and homosexuality. After his arrival, his wife was killed and the part of the army she raised to fight was destroyed; numerous other relatives who naturally could not fail to see this substitution were also killed.

The destruction of chronicles and genealogies began; large-scale construction of taverns and similar establishments (in which tobacco and alcohol were initially distributed for free) and brothels began; moreover, a decree was issued on the obligation of representatives of noble families and nobility to visit such establishments. Homosexuality was propagated as normal and natural in the army. Constant so-called "Evenings for the Nobility" began, which ended in group orgies, etc.

There is a vast amount of historical evidence for this.

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In the Kali Age, under the destructive influence of this epoch—any culture begins to wither over time and completely decline.

But nothing happens on its own; degradation in this iron age is caused by the influence of this personality—Kali, who realizes his destructive influence through the descendants of Adam and Eve.

In whose hands today are the International Monetary Fund, the UN, UNESCO, NATO, and the banking systems of almost all countries in the world, except perhaps Iran, India, and China. In their hands is the largest "American" army today, and practically all Western and Russian media.

And these cannibals of the 21st century (I don't know how else to call them) treacherously continue to destroy Africa with AIDS, Northern peoples—specifically Russia, Ukraine, Belarus—with alcohol and tobacco, corruption and poverty, and Muslim countries and India, which do not take these vices, simply by war. Which can now be observed in Syria.

Javdet

So what is the point of all this: if they did participate, then not that much;)

In general, yes, you are right, indeed not that much!

First, they pitted head-to-head two of the strongest empires at the time (both Slavs and Germans were also Aryans)—the Germans and the Slavs (making a good profit on the blood and guts of our fathers and mothers), in which more than 50 million people died from the Russian side alone (and these were the bravest, most enduring, healthiest men—the gene pool of the nation). At least 20 million of whom simply rotted in camps (about which one can read in detail in Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago") and who did this? Their own government! Lenin (Ulyanov, Blank), Stalin (Jughashvili), Trotsky (Leiba), Beria, etc.—all Jews across the board.

They organized every single economic crisis, including the Great American Depression and the 2008 "crisis," during which in Russia the number of dollar billionaires increased from 40 to 100.

They annexed Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, ignoring all international law—after the "Americans" entered Afghanistan, drug trafficking into Russia through and from it increased dozens of times.
The Taliban destroyed, fought, and burned cocaine plantations; the Americans forbade them from doing this, and now they guard these cocaine fields.

When I was at a school internship from an institute, I personally heard conversations of 10th and 11th-grade girls several times, the essence of which was that being a virgin at 16 is a disgrace. "What? Who do you take me for? I haven't been a virgin for a long time. I've already had 10 or 20 different sexual partners." In essence, this is the same as saying: "Do you think I am some kind of chaste girl? No, what are you talking about, I am an ordinary, normal whore."

Is it not obvious that young snot-nosed kids are getting hooked on drugs and alcohol, and virginity, which was previously considered the main female treasure, is now ridiculed and devalued in every way in the eyes of young girls?

Niemand

13 years ago

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ariputra

Slavs and Germans are also Aryans.

ariputra, Slavs and Germanic peoples have about the same relation to Aryans as do black people. The Aryans were an ordinary nomadic tribe that invaded India from the north around 1500 BC and conquered it. Their distant relatives (Cimmerians, Scythians, Sarmatians) once inhabited the steppes of the Azov and Black Sea regions. That is, Aryans can, albeit with some stretching and a certain degree of convention, be called Indians, Persians (Iranians), and the peoples of Central Asia, but by no means Slavs, and even less so Germans and other Germanic peoples.

Marmot

13 years ago

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I don't like politics and talking about it, but I read this news and it caught my attention (even though I live in Belarus, not Russia, but my relatives and old friends of my parents live there, and in general, Russia is not a foreign country for me). Bill on Offending Religious Feelings The State Duma adopted a statement on the protection of religious feelings of believers at a meeting on Tuesday. RIA Novosti Earlier today, Popov announced at a meeting of the Duma's inter-faction group for the protection of Christian values that representatives of the Duma faction "United Russia" propose to introduce an article into the Criminal Code on liability for offending religious feelings. ITAR-TASS http://blogs.yandex.ru/search.xml?cat=theme&id=538707&ft=blog&group=2 And a couple of entries in blogs with comments: Vadim Alexandrov Democracy and freedom of speech have defeated tolerance. September 26th, 7:52 B. Obama stated that he does not intend to ban "Innocence of Muslims," as this would violate freedom of speech. I can imagine how upset our liberal lackeys and adherents of tolerance are. Democracy and freedom of speech in the United States have defeated tolerance (as we understand it). In Russia, they are going to put people in jail for offending religious feelings, close YouTube, and label the word "Russian" as "skinhead" and prosecute people under Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. But in America, the church, with all the feelings of its adherents (of any nationality), is separated from the rights and freedoms of citizens. God bless America. http://alexandrov-blog.livejournal.com/235008.html Spare the children! The people's representatives of the Lubyanka ilk are concerned with the birth of a new, vitally important law for the country - on the protection of religious feelings. For offending religious feelings, you can now get five years in prison. It turns out that the vast majority of people, whose feelings no one seems to care about, automatically fall into the category of potential suspects - because believers are very sensitive and easily offended. If someone doubts the existence of God, they will be sent to the "zoo." This is where the witch hunt will begin - the Middle Ages will be envious! Moreover, no one will be immune from criminal prosecution, including the so-called believers who have become more active recently. After all, the religious beliefs of believers of one denomination automatically offend the feelings of adherents of another. What a strange country we have! In just a few months, a secular state, or at least one that continues to position itself as such, is easily turning into a fundamentalist one. Even without changing the constitution. I will immediately object to those who think that the Constitution of Russia should be written with a capital letter. I think that this document, which has long had nothing to do with either Russia or any other country, should still be written with a capital letter. I am afraid that if things continue this way, we will need to write the word "Russia" with a small letter. Unless, of course, this word ceases to be used altogether. Looking at the speed of change in our country, nothing should surprise us. Yes, we are used to not being surprised by anything. We, the non-believers who make up the majority of the country's population, are not surprised that someone is building temples and mansions with our money, buying expensive cars, planes, and yachts. And we are not offended that a zealous minority is now legally indoctrinating our children at school. But it could turn out as it did three-quarters of a century ago in Germany. There, too, they did not immediately start sending Jews to gas chambers. First, they banned Jews from owning pharmacies. In one night, they smashed all pharmacies owned by Jews and threw the owners out into the street. The Jews cried, sighed, and continued to live. Then, for example, Jews were banned from using public parks or riding the tram. The Jews sighed again and continued to live. I am not exaggerating or embellishing - it was exactly like that. Many, of course, left Germany, but how many remained! What were they waiting for? Therefore, friends, do not wait until we all turn into those unfortunate Jews! http://pora-valit.livejournal.com/812950.html

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Hermit

13 years ago

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Marmot

I will immediately object to those who think to correct me, saying that the Constitution of Russia should be written with a capital letter. I think that this document, which has long had no relation to either Russia or any other country, should still be written with a capital letter.

I think that this "document" was a document, just as its "guarantors" were its guarantors.

Happy Life

13 years ago

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I thought there would be a discussion or people sharing their opinions, but all I see is copy-pasting.

Marmot

13 years ago

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My opinion, as is evident, stems from the context, so I haven't added anything of my own. Recently, in Russia, they have been systematically "tightening the screws," restricting freedom of speech while simultaneously giving the Russian Orthodox Church more power, in order to turn the people into a mindless mob. :( The proposed bill directly contradicts the principle of freedom of speech, which is supposedly guaranteed by the Constitution. Now it will be easy to silence those who are disliked, because a reason will always be found.
I would also say: "Arrest this person immediately! His shadow has a phallic shape, which offends my religious feelings!"