Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments. Auto-translated

Why a hero? Just a defender. Well, yes, if you made it further, then you won.

By the way, I heard about your three-hour battle, where you moved each unit for 10 minutes; I decided that if we ever play against each other and you repeat such tricks, I will personally just go to sleep.

Even though it's about rehabilitating Katerina, for the sake of fairness, such issues should be resolved before the game, especially if it's not a turn-based game with chess clocks: if you agree that someone needs to go to sleep by a certain time, save the game; if you don't agree and the opponent doesn't agree to save, that's your problem; if you didn't specify the time you can play when registering for the tournament, that's your problem. If the timer doesn't work in the battle, I use it as I want – I can even go to the shower during my turn: during the opponent's turn, I can't do this in SoD because the time is counted from the moment the opponent passes the turn, not from the moment I receive the turn, as in a turn-based game.

Reading your messages, it's clear that you can't be stopped... a Heroes of Might and Magic player writes a suggestion about the game – it's clear and understandable right away. The account was registered at the end of December last year – did anyone ask who he is? He makes 40 transfers a day, plays under crazy conditions, on any templates – it took you a long time to figure him out. Dzhavdet described everything clearly in his post, and of course, everyone in the Warlords chat knew about "Ryba" (Fish)...
Katerina is a girl who burst into the Heroes world. No matter what anyone says, that cheaters don't have a gender is a blatant lie – they do have a gender, in this case, female, so we should be a little more lenient, gentlemen. Is she guilty? Let's punish her! Does she promise to improve? Let's believe her! Everything can be resolved and discussed; there's no need for unnecessary shouting. The situation is under control of the Moderator, they have their finger on the pulse, everything will be fine!

Brutal. Finally got to my computer so I could respond properly.... It's just very hard to read the posts and stay silent. Rimpel2 _Oleg - resp! What the hell "leniency," have you guys actually lost it!
Katerina - a real, specific piece of trash.... I want to call her "by the name she deserves." Some kind of joke, LOL, how the masturbators (not calling them that, just asking) are covering for a girl. LOL, a third of the forum is fooled by the nick, the second by the picture, the third—knowing the player—so if everyone is so easily led, it's time for the unled to think! ...(Censorship) ...I'm not addressing anyone in particular, but everyone who is against harsh measures—take this personally.

Rules exist, they need to be followed and enforced to the end. Let's (to the mod-operators) implement IP bans (BUT NOT from the 1st time - there's a point to that),
and what the readers see now, new forum members won't see,
they'll definitely be stupid and cheat, but as Dirty Player once said, I don't care whether they cheat or not..... (of course I agree with this, but it's just plain wrong), although you can win against noobs even with a cheat, but when one of the recognized players of the network does this - you need to hit them on the ass with the full width of the rod!

Again regarding Katerina, enough already looking for reasons to excuse her from the vector of her actions, because if you look from the top, it turns out that from the bottom you can't see anything to the right. Ban her, but only after she's caught again; in Tournaments - a 2 year ban, same for rbv.

Damn, even during simple communication between players, gross violation and deception have been exposed:
1. PReDS did not play for money with a TYPE under the nick RBW, who, allegedly, according to Sheva's words, said he played for money with them.
2. RBW vanished (or rather, his nick did)
3. "Ready to play to the end against a very strong opponent.
2sm4d(3), 8mm6a, Diamond, Balance, Jobus
Difficulty 160% or 200%
I'll give away any Castle, color, and you can also choose a Castle for me. 618759652"

The 3rd point is the pinnacle of deception, and notice, this message is repeated often; the person clearly has a desire to tear apart players of a normal level, but despite a high personal level of play, the desire to win outweighs everything and the humiliation of the opponent (cheating) begins.

I believe that belittling the dignity of any player through deception (cheating) is not only a belittlement of one's own strength, but also the creation of players similar to oneself, therefore this must be fought harshly and without deviating from the rules.

Ate all of Rimpel's popcorn and saw Lider1's message

So, who's going to get banned??? You play, you get set up, you set aside time, everything is serious. You play and try your best, and on the other side sits a piece of crap who uses cheats and sneers to himself.

Does someone think that spending 3, 5, 10, 15 hours on a game (that was cheated from the start) is a blessing?
It would be one thing to win, but when you're not the one in control - it's a blow to the person, we all know how a game, which is basically a small life for the player (even a fun game can be like that), drains emotions and strength.
One must under no circumstances coddle cheaters; you can give them sympathy and protection, but only for the benefit of one's own actions at the expense of perceiving another's mistake. They must be punished so that everyone sees it! But not kill the IP immediately (IMHO).

To BRitv04ka:
With your post, you are giving the green light to cheating. And everyone who forgives without punishment, without repentance - is not doing a favor, but on the contrary, is doing evil (plunging the person even deeper into "impiety" (maybe someone other than ariputra will understand the meaning :)) by making the punishable offense mandatory.

To Albertas:

Katerina is a girl who burst into the heroic world, no matter what anyone says, like "cheaters have no gender"—that's a bold lie—there is a gender, in this case female, therefore a tone lower, esteemed men: is she guilty? we punish! does she promise to improve? we will believe! everything is solvable and discussable, we just don't need unnecessary screaming, the situation is under the Moderator's control, finger on the pulse, everything will be fine!

Gender exists, but neither a man nor a woman has the right to act separately poorly toward each other. We believe, we punish, she repents, she will be the loveliest person; without punishment, there will be no repentance.

Message from Pit for LM:

I don't have the ability to ban by IP, especially by dynamic IP, and many have dynamic IPs. Half the forum could be banned that way. And the question of banning for cheating has already been discussed more than once. No, the Creator already wrote that the forum is for communication, and points are only given for violating forum rules (specifically, for obscene language or its imitation).
At least there is "For falsification of tournament results" - 50 points. That's a half-ban.

For the creator, the forum is money, communication is for people, and cooperatives of people are for the cooperative itself, which lives thanks to its "cooperate"; the rule is an even more important point than for the forum.
And precisely the rules serve as an invitation or an expulsion of a person from the forum. If rules are not followed, the forum cannot exist on its own and will turn into a garbage dump (like VT chat). That's why authority is needed (moderators, coordinators, orgs, judges, and AK)

Can we somehow provide IP ban access to moderators and coordinators?

P.S. Scorpiona is the only girl in XB who hasn't been caught or accused in the "three". Tanya, look how scary it all is, always be as you are now with the game, and not like artmoni :)

Even though this is about rehabilitating Katerina, it's only fair to say that these issues should be resolved before the game, especially if it's not a turn-based game with a chess clock: if you agree that someone needs to go to sleep at a certain time, save the game. If you don't agree and the opponent refuses to save, that's your problem if you didn't specify the time you can play when registering for the tournament. If the timer doesn't work during the battle, I use it as I want – I can even go to the shower during my turn. During the opponent's turn, I can't do that in SoD because the timer starts counting down from the moment the opponent passes the turn, not from the moment I receive the turn, as in a turn-based game.

Just imagine. It's night, after a couple of hours, and finally, it's a final battle or a pseudo-final battle. Your brain is already not fresh, and then the opponent starts dragging out each ROUND to 40 minutes or an hour (they really played 5 rounds, somewhere between 2.5 and 4 hours, I don't remember exactly). Honestly, I've never encountered anything like this.

You can also psychologically attack the opponent (I definitely wouldn't be able to restrain myself), and if there's a girl on the other side of the computer, it's very inappropriate. Of course, it's not specified in the rules, the counter isn't ticking, but it's just not nice. Everything is based on my opinion, of course.

I'll express my opinion about the whole situation for the last time: different people play Heroes, and you encounter all sorts of people – decent, adequate guys with whom it's pleasant to play and communicate (it's good that there are mostly such people); there are people who, after saving, don't finish the game in a losing situation (I had this happen twice with one player, who is quite well-known and quite controversial – they gave up on one game, started a second, saved, and then just stopped responding to messages); there are people who complain and don't understand when you don't let them auto-lose in a tournament. We tolerate all of this and continue to play.

And here, a girl (I just want to say "because of female foolishness") cheated once, withdrew from the tournament (she wrote to the organizer herself), promises not to repeat it – and there are such harsh judgments (lynch her! execute her! ban her!). Moreover, in two months of playing, she went from the level of three heroes in the first week to an acceptable average level. Why can't she be given a second chance in this situation? Can't you see the difference from the situation being discussed in parallel, where the person simply disappeared when accused and will probably change their nickname again and appear under a different name?

You are too naive.

Just imagine. It's night, around two in the morning, you're playing, and finally, it's the Final Battle or a pseudo-Final Battle. Your brain is already tired, and then your opponent starts dragging out each ROUND to 40 minutes or an hour (they actually played 5 rounds, each lasting somewhere between 2.5 and 4 hours, I don't remember exactly). Honestly, I've never encountered anything like that.

And what makes you think that after playing for 8, 6 hours, sometimes even 10 or 15 hours on the same map, the person should complete the Final Battle in 15-30 minutes? Isn't that part of the game? Or maybe not a very important part? Moreover, the Final Battle is the most important part of the game, the most crucial! And the fact that people are willing to spend several days playing with saves, or do a 20-hour marathon, capturing various neutral creatures and gathering resources, and then quickly lose the Final Battle due to rushing, doesn't that seem even more foolish? It definitely does!

Oh, I didn't think it through and made quick moves, oh, I missed something. I should have played like that, yes, you were lucky because I messed up :D. But it's all because it's a hassle to spend 2-3 hours on the Final Battle, where you need to think first and foremost.

You can also psychologically attack your opponent (I certainly wouldn't be able to resist), and if there's a girl on the other side, it's very inappropriate. Of course, it's not stated in the rules, the timer isn't ticking, but it's just not nice. Everything is based on my personal opinion, of course.

It doesn't matter if there's a girl, a boy, a grandmother, or a baby sitting there. The player is a genderless entity. If you sit down to play, be so kind as to follow the rules.

And by the way, I have no doubts about Vladimir's skill; it would be better to learn to play like him instead of whining. Losing a Final Battle in a long game due to your own stupidity is more regrettable than anything else; I'm not talking about anyone in particular, but I've experienced it myself.

I can't help but add an example. There's no doubt that Alex is a very skilled player, so in his game against Maretti, he thought for more than half an hour before moving with some unit (this was a Stike World Championship tournament). Everyone was getting impatient, but in the end, he completely crushed him.

If someone enjoys completing the final battle in 10 minutes after playing some template for 15 hours, then heh-heh :D. [/QUOTE]

Spending 30 minutes thinking before your first move is normal, and even an hour is acceptable. But spending 15 minutes thinking before each move with every unit seems like a provocation. If this is normal for you, then I wish you games with opponents like that.

It's normal to think for half an hour before the first move. And even an hour is fine. But thinking for 15 minutes before each move with each unit seems like a provocation.

lol)
Guys, let's build chains on map 111 and see what happens.
Let's position ourselves on the tactical map as much as possible, and then we'll see how it goes.
Let's think through a plan before the final battle, but the opponent will still play like a bot, nothing will change.

Here are some more RBW game saves.
The match was played in the Haven faction in the Portal Cup.
RBW vs Psyche_7
The report and confirmation can be found here: http://heroesportal.net/tavern/?online=356883&part=reports&1332940467=&pagenum=2
I didn't do a detailed analysis, but it's immediately obvious that the player using the Castle faction is cheating with hero movement.

We're waiting for an explanation from RBW until tomorrow. If there's still no response, we'll make a decision without him.

Here are some more saves from the RBW game.
The match was played on HotA in the Portal Cup.
RBW vs Psyche_7
Report and confirmation can be found here: http://heroesportal.net/tavern/?online=356883&part=reports&1332940467=&pagenum=2
I didn't do a detailed analysis, but it's immediately clear that the player playing as Castle is cheating with hero movement.

We're waiting for an explanation from RBW until tomorrow; if there's no response, we'll decide without him.

For a fair and strict decision, especially since it was a cup game.

I am summarizing the information regarding RBW. There is a report from the seasonal tournament for the game:

03.03.2012, RBW (blue, Conflux, random, Moner) def c0nn3c71nkK.ppL (red, Barbarian, Gurnisson, Gurnisson), 8mm6a 160%, 124

confirmation, saves, and save analysis. Also available are saves from another game:

MaksRBW (Blue, Castle, Caitlin, Caitlin) def Psyche (Red, Fortress, Vistan, Vistan) Balance, 147, SOD

The match was played in the HP Cup; the report can be found here. In both matches, the player RBW cheated. We did not receive any explanations or justifications from RBW, either on the forum or via private message. My request was sent to him on Sunday evening, March 25th, and he was online on the forum yesterday. So, RBW had both the time and the opportunity to respond. AK Decision: Award the Black Mark of a Cheater to player RBW, and we will send a request to the Creator regarding this. Also, add RBW to the blacklist with a warning to players and tournament organizers about possible cheating. Additionally, the player will receive 50 penalty points for violating the forum rules (for falsifying results of events (Competitive, Tournaments, Contests)). Information on this matter will be presented on a friendly HP resource. The AK warns players about RBW's tendency to create clones and urges everyone to be vigilant and remember to make and review saves. The decision was made unanimously by four members of the AK who participated in the vote.

What will happen to the RBV games? Will they be disqualified, or will the wins be awarded to the opponents? I have an unfinished game with him. I've attached the save files. Can someone check them; maybe there's cheating there too :D

Shevanisian, you are fundamentally wrong. Here's how it works: either you play the endgame well, or there's simply no point in meticulously planning chains or calculating moves. This is especially true for HL+U templates, which you often play yourself. If you don't want your opponent to spend a long time thinking, either concede or offer them a plan for winning (this isn't a joke; some people actually do this). Or simply suggest saving the game before the Final Battle. Rushing a player during the Final Battle is, frankly, just bad manners.

By the way, this wasn't even the final battle. So, is a four-hour battle considered normal? If so, what's the point of timers if we're essentially giving the opponent unlimited time to think? After all, there are also very challenging battles against neutral creatures, where, apparently, it's also acceptable to spend four hours. It seems to me that there's some kind of inconsistency, not necessarily between the SOD timer and this situation, but even between the WTS timer and a four-hour battle. I'm not saying that the final battle should be of poor quality, but how can you stretch five rounds out to three or four hours – I just don't understand. I've never seen or heard of battles like that. If you've heard of them or participated in them, I'll accept that high-level players can have battles with an opponent that last for four hours (or even six or seven, if the other player is equally "thoughtful").

I agree, 5 rounds taking 4 hours is too much, even if you calculate the possible damage through physics, it's still a lot...