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It sparked quite a discussion about the Overlord. Yes, he is powerful and cunning, but not all of his plans go as intended. Although "Dark Messiah" (?Mod) has two endings, and one of them is a good one, it means that the Overlord was on the verge of failure with his plan, not anticipating everything. And with such capabilities, unique magic compared to other factions (no one else can manipulate their appearance and transmit their images over a distance), and the largest army in Ashan (as you yourselves said), he couldn't execute his plan properly... It seems a bit weak.

I voted for Tieru and still don't regret it: first of all, he is, after all, a Dragon Knight. Besides, he knew about the demons' conspiracy, healed Agrael, and gave him instructions (which later turned out to be the only correct ones). Even after death, like Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan from Star Wars, he managed to stay in Ashan of his own free will to "give" instructions to Findan, and of course, to Railag. He was also obviously a very powerful elemental mage (creating fog over the entire archipelago is no joke).

In general, theoretically, Sar-Elam should be the strongest, if we are talking about the Overlord. After all, he imprisoned the Overlord and all the other "nasty" creatures in a single spell.

Frida didn't really fight the dwarves; she just dealt with small garrisons to clear the way for her retreat.

But who killed the king of the dwarves? Although there are several possibilities, considering the number of heroes in that mission.

Yes, the discussion about the Overlord is quite something. But no matter how hard some try to prove otherwise, he is not all-powerful. If even Ash and Urgash cannot be called all-powerful in the full sense of the word, then there is no need to even talk about the Overlord.

And he is not immortal either. He is one of the 7 demon lords, about whom nothing is heard, and who were apparently destroyed by Kha-Belekh himself. And if they are not immortal, then why is the Overlord immortal?

And if we are to draw parallels with Star Wars, then Tieru is more like Master Yoda, and Railag is like Luke Skywalker.

I agree with SAF. The Overlord is not immortal, because even the dragon gods (Sar-Elam) are mortal. Regarding Ash: she created the whole world! It was only later that she weakened and went to rest on the local Moon.

Ash is not all-powerful in the sense that she could not finally defeat Urgash (he is in a dormant state in Shio) and his demons.

Do not compare Dragons to anyone. Compared to everyone else, the Overlord is all-powerful.

He is, in fact, eternal. "Although I am immortal," are his words. And the other 7 demon lords are alive, but simply deprived of power. An example of this is Azkaal. He was defeated by angels, but did not die. His soul was simply imprisoned in another soul.

That's a bit silly.

And the 8 demon lords (and there are indeed 8 of them) were created by Urgash, and they were apparently granted eternal life.

The Primordial Dragons cannot be killed. But the inability to kill one's brother does not hinder omnipotence.

If he is all-powerful, then why, during as many as 6 eclipses, when he had a certain freedom of action, could he not destroy a single kingdom of Ashan? (The Empire was constantly reborn). Why couldn't he bring the Dark Messiah into the world himself, but waited for a thousand years and for the prophecy of some pathetic human sorcerer to be fulfilled (compared to the all-powerful Kha-Beleth, of course).

His words are dictated by his high self-esteem, and of course, they cannot be taken as absolute truth. And there is nothing eternal in Ashan, except perhaps Ashi and Urgash. However, they did not exist forever, but appeared from a cosmic egg, so nothing eternal exists.

In a way, all races are immortal, because after death, their souls usually go to the dragons - patrons, for example, Nicholas said that he sat next to Elrath. And Sar-Ilam, after dying in human form, took his place among the Dragons.

What is stupid, comparing Tiera to Yoda or Heroes 5 to Star Wars?

Where is the information about 8 lords? If possible, a link. As far as I know, the demon lords were created in opposition to the 7 dragons of Ashi, and there were accordingly 7 of them.

Firstly, Kha-Belekh became the absolute Overlord only after the fourth eclipse.

And his first strike was flawless - the Empire of the Falcon was destroyed.

And the Empire of the Griffin could not do anything for 400 years after that.

omnipotence in the sense of absolute power, not all-might.

Sar-Shazzar is not a pathetic little sorcerer, but an earthly likeness of Sar-Ilam, his student, and the prophecy said that the messiah would appear from some "virgin" (I don't remember the exact text). This virgin was Isabel, so they had to wait for her appearance.

Kha-Belekh's eternity is calculated based on the existence of the world.

Remember the single-player mission for Wier in Lords of the North, where the imp spoke about the Eight Lords:
Wier: "Marbas says that all this is true."
Imp: "Are you sure? The instructions for the ritual are written by one of the Eight Lords, the progenitors of demons?"

Wasn't it after the 2nd? 564 The Second Eclipse: The Rise of the Demon Lord.
And if it was after the 4th, then his first strike should be considered the War of the Gray Alliance, which is not one of the Demon Lord's major achievements.

Yes, the Empire remained intact; only the capital was destroyed. And then a strong Griffin Empire emerged.

What should it have done? Storm Shi'o? Or conquer Ashan? And where did the 400 years come from if the 4th Eclipse was in 843?

Let it be, although in my opinion, it's the same thing. Then his power is not absolute either, because he cannot leave Shi'o; he does not have the strength to break through the walls of his prison.

he had to wait for her appearance - doesn't this prove that the Demon Lord cannot (in this case, cannot do anything and simply waits)
And, in my opinion, the earthly likeness of Sar-Elam was still Sar-Elam himself), and his students did not even come close to the level of their teacher.

I think that the Demon Lord's eternity is comparable to the eternity of the elves - they also live for millennia.

And do you remember the description of that mission, namely: "The Demon Lord is dead!", which already negates all the laws of Ashan, the further plot of Heroes, and everything we are discussing. So, one should not take those words too seriously, in particular, and the entire mission as a whole.
The eighth lord, the imp could have considered Urgash, i.e., 7 lords + Urgash = 8.

Where is it strong? If demons rampaged through it, and then the undead with the Nagas followed.

In general, yes, it should have stormed Shio, since it is so strong. It stormed after the 5th and 6th eclipses.

400 years is the term of the Griffons' rule.

Again, you're stepping on the same rake... Well, don't compare the power of the Overlord with the power of dragons. Compared to non-dragons, Kha-Beleth is all-powerful.

And what should he do?

And waiting for several hundred years is clearly not a sign of weakness.

And there are exactly eight lords, Urgash cannot be a lord. I saw a footnote about "8 lords" somewhere else... I don't remember where, maybe in part 6.