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Tinker has a very weak internet connection, so there will be no streams.
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well, poor internet connection in China is nothing new.
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Alright then, I'll ask my questions about our games, and I'd like to get proper answers... not some kind of nonsense... If the answers satisfy me, then since I wrote insults to him, I'll apologize...

Let's start step by step, maybe for some the questions won't be particularly good for detecting cheating, but I want to know the answers to them...:
1. Regarding the skill tree. Why does a player of that level refuse Air Magic and Earth Magic at levels 4 and 5 and instead level Tactics?
2. What gave him the confidence to jump into that specific Griffin Conservatory which was level 2-4 without scouting it?
3. Why, after not securing the 3rd Griffin Conservatory, does he run into the fog of war toward enemy territory?
4. Why did he travel into the fog to an enemy respawn without having any scouting info or idea of the size of that respawn, rather than heading to the (already scouted) entrance to his own treasure zone, for example?
5. If he was going for a rush, but the treasure zone in the underground attracted him and he decided to clear it, why did he only visit the Library in the underground treasure zone and not explore it further?
6. Why, after collecting the necessary items and without exploring the rest of the treasure zone on Barbarian territory, did he suddenly rush back home?
7. If he was going for a rush, then why on turns 1.2.3 did he stay on the enemy's side with only 4 Angels instead of the full army, not fearing an attack despite having no gold for a buyback?

And a question about Jebus Cross:
Why did he so calmly go to break the Guardian Object without a spell book, having no idea about the subsequent respawn and not knowing what that Guardian Object was?

If anyone has their own questions about the Chinese player's gameplay in my games, feel free to write them too, I think it'll be interesting to read the answers...
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I have a follow-up question regarding the first point. Is Air magic mandatory, and is it impossible to forgo it?
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I have a follow-up question regarding the first point. Is Air magic mandatory, and is it impossible to forgo it?
Well, Vitaly also mentioned in a private message that it should be integrated with Mike's game. The Chinese player didn't refuse Air magic for some reason; he ignored the boots in one game but took them in another, etc.
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Зима 2011-12.
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I have a follow-up question regarding the first question. Is Air magic mandatory, and is it impossible to decline it?

I can remove Air, but I'm just interested in the answer... who knows what they might give after Air?
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yeah. it's better to have good air quality now than good vision in the future :rolleyes:
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Any further questions?
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will be
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Зима 2011-12.
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Gomunguls
So here's the deal, I'll ask my questions about our games, and I'd like to get proper answers... not some nonsense... If the answers satisfy me, then since I wrote him insults, I'll apologize...

Let's start step by step, maybe for some the questions won't be particularly good for detecting cheating, but I want to know the answers to them...:
1. About the skill tree. Why does a player of this level refuse Air Magic and Earth Magic at levels 4 and 5 and instead level up Tactics?
At level 4 AP, I would have also taken Tactics in the Chinese player's place. 100%.
He needs to break through the Marksmen and Lizardmen for the external dwelling of monsters.
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2. What gave him the confidence to go into exactly that Griffin Conservatory which was 2-4 without checking it?
Yes, suspiciously little. If it had been a 4, could he take it?
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3. Why, without grabbing the 3rd conservatory, does he run into the fog of war on enemy territory?
He wanted to open a passage for the noobs, IMHO
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4. Why did he go into the fog of war to an enemy respawn without any scouting or knowledge of how big that respawn even is, and not to the entrance (already scouted) to his own treasure zone for example?
There's the underground, there's time for that. He can see that you have towns above ground, plus your native secondary hero.
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5. If he was going to rush, but was attracted by the treasure zone in the underground and decided to clear it, then why, after only visiting the library in the underground treasure zone, did he not explore it further?
Yes, also a bit suspicious, but again, maybe. He wanted to open a passage for the noobs and to another treasure zone?
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6. Why does he also, having collected the necessary items and without exploring the treasure zone further on the barbarian land, suddenly split his army and return home?
At first, that was my suspicion number 1, but then I saw that it's day 6.
And you have two fully built Swamps, IMHO he needs to hit the ГО, otherwise it will be too late, especially since he split on 126, so that on 127 and 131 he could run to your capital and take all the unscooped growth (he's red).

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7. If he was going to rush, then why on 1.2.3 did he stay on the starting line on enemy territory with only 4 Angels and not his whole army, not afraid that someone would attack him and he wouldn't have gold to buy them back?
Probably, he didn't know that someone could pop out of there...
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And a question about Jebus Cross:
Why did he so calmly go to break the ГО without a spell book, having no idea about the subsequent respawn and not knowing what that ГО was?

If anyone has their own questions about the Chinese player's gameplay in my games, write them too, I think it'll be interesting to read the answers...
Probably he was running to the third castle, he only had two after all.

Yes, there are some doubts, but even at 50% there's no certainty of cheating.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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At level 4, I would use the same tactic in his place. 100%.
He needs to break through the Marksmen and Lizardmen hiding behind the monsters.

Yes, it seems suspiciously small. If it were 4, would it be worth taking?

He probably wanted to open a path for the noobs, IMHO.

There's an underground passage; he'll have time. He sees that you have cities above, and a native secondary town.

Yes, it also seems a bit suspicious, but again, maybe. He wanted to open a path for the noobs and get another treasure?

At first, I suspected this was the main reason, but then I saw that it was day 6.
And you have two built-up swamps; IMHO, he should attack your main town; otherwise, it will be too late, especially since he split his army on day 126 to reach your capital on days 127 and 131 and take all the unbought growth (he's a red player).


He probably didn't know that someone could jump out from there…

He was probably running to his third castle; he only had two.

Yes, there are some doubts, but even with 50% certainty, I'm not sure about cheating.

I would ban him immediately for answers like that
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I took a closer look at the Gomunguls and Thinkeer game.

The short conclusion: To quote a friend of mine: "crap play started the moment he picked tyraxor so no cheat there"

The strange leveling up: I guess he simply wanted to get exp log asap. If he takes air he gets armor after exp air, and he has haste in the inferno guild. So no cheat there.

He leaves a con in his area with 3 angels and goes to t-area with no book. Im pretty sure he was planning to get back and take gomunguls town 131 or to return to the t-area. He has to go back the day he goes back in order to get mana and be able to take the town 131. He has to go back sooner or later anyway, since he dosent have a book. Even though he sees boots he leaves them since they are heavily guarded and he cant take them and get back the same day.

He has an exstremly good map but could still have lost if gomunguls had cared to get slow on his main and some mana too. The play is untraditional (bad) but there is no cheating here in my opinion.
Here is Maretti's response to your game. It's almost the same as my response. I really insist that he should take tactics at levels 4-5, because there are archers guarding everywhere (the same ambush of creatures with a crowd of gr. lizards).
Maretti wrote well about the book - without it, it would have been difficult for the Chinese player, and he was probably building a magic guild in his area in order to return.

Gomungulus, don't talk about responses and ban voices, explain what is wrong. Because Maretti seems to be an authority?
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Here's Maretti's response to your game. It's almost the same as my response. I really insist that he should focus on tactics at levels 4-5, because that's where he has archers guarding everywhere (the same ambush with a crowd of green lizards).
Maretti wrote well about the book – without it, it would be difficult for the Chinese player, and he would probably build a magic guild in his city, just to be able to return.

Homunculus, don't just talk about answers and ban voices; explain what's wrong. Because Maretti seems to be an authority?

What does Maretti have to do with it? I also think you're a good player, but I don't agree with your opinions... such answers are like asking a math champion what 2+2 is, and he answers 5... there is an answer, but it's absurd... if you spend the whole game trying to figure out how to defeat archers and level up tactics, and ignore the land needed for conservatories, then that's not a very good answer... and regarding the book, what's the point of running so far just to return later, when there was nothing stopping you from buying the book right away and not worrying about what will happen?
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There are sections of mathematics where 2+2=5... I think it's called Lobachevsky mathematics :)
But that's not the point. Regarding leveling up, I wouldn't have taken Air on level 4, but on level 5, when Earth was offered, I might have taken it.
I checked the entire skill tree, and if you don't take Air on level 4 and take Earth on level 5, it's a very good choice; there are no useless skills there.
But the Chinese player took Tactics on level 5, and my only explanation is that he didn't have many troops and wanted to take the monster lair with the maximum amount of units.
According to the guide, he ran to 121 for gold, a level-up, and to clear the path. It's not profitable to go back for the book there, and there's no money – buying units is more important.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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there are sections of mathematics where 2+2=5... I think it's called Lobachevsky's mathematics :)
According to the guide, he runs to 121 for gold, a level-up, and to clear a path. It's not profitable to return for the book - and there's no money - buying meat is more important.

We and Javdet have already discussed the skill tree in detail... regarding Jebus, you can easily buy the book, visit the stable, and then run...
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