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Posts from Турниры HeroesWorld Cup & World Cup - 2012
It's easy for you to talk from the sidelines. :cool:
But when you're here, organizing things, spending your time, striving to make the tournament fair, and a bunch of trolls are constantly harassing you...
When they attacked me in the previous novice tournament, including Kilgor, Oelm, and a whole chain of trolls... if I hadn't been supported, I would have slammed the door shut and said, "I don't need this kind of happiness..." (and allowing a skilled player into the tournament means discrediting the result of the tournament itself).
Therefore, if a person is running such a responsible tournament, it shows complete trust in the organizer and the judges, and their decision should be final and not subject to reservations.
And if someone doesn't agree, they have the right to express their opinion, but it shouldn't look like attacks and accusations...
In short, TROLLS, stop spreading dirt here; with this kind of advertising, you'll definitely drive everyone away:smile22:
Neo, you know, I should respond to you with quotes, logs, I should be offended by you, be rude in response, it would be interesting for the forum... But I don't want to... For some reason, I don't care... I just feel sorry for you... During our dialogue with you after the game, it finally dawned on me why Rebe was removed, and according to whose script. Removing Rebellius gave you excellent chances in the game against me. How you rushed me to start these games! The bracket had results, according to which I was supposed to play against BK, we had already agreed on a game, and you kept bothering me and offering to play in advance, because Rebe would be banned... This Monday, when the discussion started to take an undesirable turn for you, I suggested postponing our games until the weekend. No, you needed to start playing urgently... Because of Euro 2012... Read what you wrote yesterday on the forum, you contradict yourself. You, who made every effort to ban your opponent, are now criticizing me for him being banned? After all, it was about something else. You directly told me - I got you into the upper bracket, now give me a rest. You gave me a bribe, I took it, and I had to fulfill it. That's why I withdrew. You gave me an alternative - to refuse the bribe, which means to withdraw, or to accept the bribe, continue playing with you and lose. I don't want to waste time on such games.
Wic
I remembered unfinished projects. They are like a wooden toy gun carved by a child. I should finish them, but I don't want to. They are beautiful in this form, unfinished, when the idea is visible, and the implementation will only dispel the aura of childhood dreams, dry them up, and confront them with harsh reality.
Creation requires effort. Often, in the process, we encounter unforeseen difficulties. And we have to decide whether to continue creating, which means fighting difficulties, or, like a child in a sandbox, step on an ugly little figure and - either start sculpting a new one, or go home for lunch... Our decision depends on how important this project is to us and what place it occupies in our life. Heroes is good, it's an interesting game... If it has become the meaning of life, completely replacing reality, then yes, you need to fight. Be brave and strong... Yes, then you can say that abandoning the project is a sign of weakness... But if there are other things in life, then you have to weigh whether it is worth spending a lot of time, effort, and nerves on the game, taking them away from something else, often more important to you.
Here is the average schedule in life - sleep, food, "miscellaneous", work, commute to work - about 20 hours. There are 4 hours left per day. Not that much. If a person has a rich and fulfilling real life, diverse interests, then there is very little time left for virtual toys. You can spend it on Heroes. You can play yourself, or engage in some activity related to the game. Most people choose the first option - play. Well, the activity can be constructive or destructive. Few people engage in creation; in addition to time, you need to think, communicate, fantasize, which is difficult. It is easier to destroy; write one line on the forum, and let them deal with it. When a controversial moment arises in the process of creation, destructive forces immediately begin to work. I don't know who benefits from this... For a while, you deal with it... Because, if you started, then you have to endure, you can't show weakness... But if the process is snowballing, then you think, why do I need it? Why should I endure? For what? For the amusement of trolls on the forum? I'd rather play myself, go to the movies, do some repairs, watch football... Life is not that long, and you want to do a lot. Moreover, the end of the world is coming soon) Should I waste time on meaningless arguments on the forum? Well, if there is nothing else to do...
You yourselves are exhausting those who are trying to do something for you... How many times have organizers on the forum written - this is my last tournament, I will not organize anything else... What do you want? First, you bring someone down, kick them around, then you extend your hand - get up, brush yourself off, straighten your tie, pat you on the shoulder - come on, keep working... And we will criticize...
Banning is bad, not banning is bad... Withdrawing is bad, not withdrawing is bad... Cheating is bad, not cheating is bad...
The second game against the Chinese player... so I immediately took my two resource nodes because the initial layout and resource distribution weren't ideal. Then we started playing... he didn't take any resource nodes. In general, I was heavily pressured on my starting area, and I saw that I needed to break through three Guard Towers, but it turned out there were four. To get to the center. In two weeks, I squeezed everything I could out of my starting area. I only made one mistake regarding sacrificing a Knight. When I was clearing out the Orcs near the city, it wasn't clear whether the Draconians would attack my own units if the Orcs retaliated. Everything else was fine. On day 131, I broke through four Guard Towers without any Earth magic experience. First, I built four Rusty Swordsmen, then around 80 Knights, then around 30 Ghost Draconians, then 40 Bears, with upgrades. I lost 1 Angel, 4 Ducks, 3 Dryads, and 6 Centaurs. I think that's it. There was nothing left to do in my starting area, and I saw that my opponent had already taken the center. When I moved out on day 131, I was immediately attacked.
In the Fortress, he had 45 Lizards, 8 Chaos Hydras, 7 Red Dragons, 6 Hydras, 21 Scorpions, 4 Wyverns, and 12 Medusas... 360 mana points. I had 61 Grand Griffins, 23 Knights, 1 Duck, 1 Duck, 25 Elven Archers, 1 Angel, and 7 Green Dragons. I had around 60 mana points. In the Fortress, I think the Chinese player decided to mock me. Having a strong Implosion spell, he didn't use it for the first four turns. In the first round, I cast Shield on everyone and waited. He used Haste. We fought, then I cast Slow on him, then he cast Shield, and then Haste again. In the battle, my troops held up very well! I don't remember exactly, but it took about 6-8 Chaos Hydras to barely kill one Unicorn! 21 Scorpions killed 20 Elven Archers in one hit. In general, they held their ground and dealt good damage. But when the Chinese player saw that he couldn't win the battle with his army, he started using Implosion. After the battle, he had about 6 Hydras, 1 Dragon, 3-4 Chaos Hydras, and 8 Archers left. The first Implosion killed about 13-15 Knights. Then the Wyverns used Implosion and finished off the Elven Archers and Grand Griffins.
Do not be disingenuous—if you truly didn't care, you wouldn't be spouting such nonsense. Pit for LM
During our conversation after the game, it finally dawned on me why Reb was disqualified and whose script it was. Removing Rebellius gave you excellent chances in the game against me.
I didn't even know that I, without being: - a tournament organizer or their close associate; - a tournament judge; - an organizer from the Portal; - even an active forum participant or HeroesWorld player whom locals would massively support; - a participant being cheered for by Sticky himself and most of HW, etc., etc.
somehow miraculously devised and executed a scheme to disqualify Rebellius :smile50:
And most importantly, why? - to gain an advantage in the game against you? What does that advantage consist of? If you look at the poll on the tournament website, Rebellius is not among the favorites, unlike you. Rebellius hasn't won any major tournaments in my memory, which is more than I can say for you. Any HW participant would find this absurd motive laughable. It's obvious that you are a stronger opponent than Rebellius, and it would be more beneficial for me to play against him and send you to the lower bracket to face BK, Tinker, and Vitalik. Maybe this will finally sink in for you a bit later too. I hope you won't continue to amuse people by claiming that, while defending your arguments about the saves and thus the judges' decision in favor of your behind-the-scenes ambitions, I wanted to remove Rebellius to gain an advantage over you in the form of a request for an extra restart - you won't. A brilliant plan :D Pit for LM
How you rushed me to start those games!
I'm starting to worry about you more and more. Maybe you're not doing this on purpose and are suffering from partial amnesia? - in which case, it's probably not right to hold a grudge against such people. I'm simply baffled how you can write something like that, after I told you at least 3 times that I was leaving for the sea from 24.06 to 05.07 and might be tight on time for 2-3 games. Especially with the Euros added on top. Pit for LM
There were results in the bracket according to which I was supposed to play BK; we had already agreed on a game, and you were messaging me and suggesting we play ahead of schedule because Reb would be banned...
As for not playing Reb, just like you not playing BK despite the bracket results, Sticky told both of us, and you know that perfectly well and even wrote about it somewhere on the forum yourself. But the twisted logic is obvious. If Reb gets banned and you start a game with BK, then I'll advance to the final against Maretti. Was that my goal? - then I would have no reason to intercept you from playing BK, but rather play either Maretti or Reb.
The answer to the question "who is more to blame for Reb getting banned?" is actually very simple, and no matter how much you want to turn things inside out, people have always judged and will always judge based on motives (as has been done for centuries in real life when solving crimes). Whoever had the motive (benefit) was the one who needed it. Pit for LM
You directly told me - I dragged you into the upper bracket, so give me a restart.
I didn't drag you into the upper bracket; I indirectly influenced it. Among the judges who voted, my analysis of the saves was only available to Sticky, and both he and Timakh had already formed their opinion on the ban by that point. And my statement that I supported you against my own benefit, and that you could maybe give me a restart, was made after the fact, after you wrote that you would withdraw from the tournament. So there is no cause-and-effect relationship.
The talk about bribes is just ridiculous. You might as well have accused me of blackmail - why hold back? If you are as conscientious and righteous as you're trying to appear here, there was only one option aligned with that image after Reb's ban: to say that despite the ban, you lost fair and square and should play BK in the lower bracket. And if Sticky "made you," you could have written a post on HW just like in our situation and said that you were acting according to your conscience. But as we can see, Sticky didn't have to persuade you for long.
P.s.: the only thing I'm wrong about is that I considered you a friend in Heroes, and because of your behavior, emotions arose that friends are supposed to say to each other's faces.
I watched the game on Jebus. To put it mildly, I’m in shock. That "skill god" is our brutal Chinese player. In the first week, he followed the perfect path, taking 2 external dwellings of Drakes and 3 external dwellings of Manticores! But what finished me off was this. On 117, he stayed in the Castle and WENT TO THE GO WITHOUT THE BOOK! (Why indeed build a Mage Guild when there’s only Haste there.) It's better to buy the book right before the GO in a secondary town (which he couldn’t have known about), where there’s Shield, Stone Skin, and Haste! + an already available scroll with Slow. Well, then it’s all simple. He cuts off the Human from the goodies, takes the Dragon Utopia, Pandora's Boxes (though he skipped one along the way — why would he need 5k experience) and attacks. Lol, what can I say.
Trolling (from the English word "trolling" - "fishing with a lure") is a type of virtual communication that violates the ethics of online interaction, expressed in the form of various aggressive, mocking, and offensive behaviors. It is used both by individual participants who are interested in greater recognition, publicity, or shock value, and in the process of anonymous interaction between users, carried out without the possibility of identifying the real subject of virtual communication. (Wikipedia) This is in relation to the fact that people here have started talking about trolls, etc. Read the definitions of the words you use. And here, people are expressing their opinions. And if it doesn't match yours, it's not necessarily trolling.
I'll add on my own that when I was watching the saves, it also really caught my eye what Sevensan said! I was surprised how he went without a spell book)))
Neo, reread the logs to refresh your memory. Who wrote to me on Wednesday that we urgently needed to finish the first game and start thinking about the second, before Reba was restored?
If a player on my team were accused of cheating, I would do everything I could to defend him. I would thoroughly examine all the saves, with the Poles, the Tatars, the Uruguayans, until I either convinced everyone that the accusations were wrong, or I was 100% convinced of his dishonesty. Because a stain on player X is a stain on the entire team and resource. That's why I don't understand why you, not being an organizer or a judge, got involved in this, and managed to build a coherent case of accusation on such dubious grounds.
Why you were against Reba – you know better. Don't try to hide behind protecting my interests. I don't need your services.
Neo, reread the logs to refresh your memory. Who wrote to me on Wednesday that I needed to finish the first game and think about the second, while Reba wasn't restored yet?
These logs are not available at work. But the humor seemed obvious and was aimed exclusively at you in a joking manner, of course, only with the goal of playing while I have time. The restoration of Rebella, when I had already resigned myself to defeat in the first, unfinished game on the дежебе, could only be beneficial to me, as it would send you to the lower bracket.
Pit for LM
If a player on my team was accused of cheating, I would do everything I could to help him. I would go through all the saves, with the Poles, the Tatars, the Uruguayans, until I either convinced everyone of the fallacy of the accusations, or I was 100% convinced of his dishonesty.
But here you are right, unfortunately. I also told Redwait about this later. But everyone knows my attitude towards cheating. Whoever it is, I will give an objective assessment, regardless of the resource, skin color, and personal sympathies. Probably that's why I am always asked to review saves. Including you, at one time.
Pit for LM
That's why I don't understand why you, not being an organizer or a judge, got involved in this, and managed to build a coherent accusation on such dubious grounds.
I got involved because an official tournament judge contacted me twice, and I recommended Reba as a positive player during the first contact. Then I didn't like all this conspiracy behind Reba's back, as I was also told that a decision was already being made about him without his explanation! I immediately looked at the saves and contacted Reba, hoping to clarify everything. But he, in turn, got offended and took a defensive position, giving vague explanations. After that, I contacted Sticky and said that any decision should be made with the possibility for the suspect to give his explanations (i.e., the right to defense) and passed on what Reba told me, strongly recommending that no decisions be made without talking to Reba. The judges then made the decision. Pit for LM
Why you were against Reba - you better know that yourself.
I am not for Reba, nor for you, nor for Sticky, nor for anyone - I am for heroes, tournaments, and fair, decent games in them! Pit for LM
Don't hide behind protecting your interests. I don't need your services.
It would be better if you didn't hide behind your resentment towards me, but admitted that you acted incorrectly by starting to play in the upper bracket with me, Reba, whom you lost to fairly without using maphack. And now you are shifting all the blame from a guilty party to an innocent one.
I suggest that we: 1. Put aside the mudslinging. 2. Start the tournament. 3. Restore Reba with the obligation to stream his games, and acknowledge the mutual guilt in his hasty ban, both those who made the decision and Reba himself, who was not doing what he should have been doing in that situation. 4. Restore the tournament standings to the moment of Reba's disqualification, and then let each participant decide for himself what to do next without pressure on the organizer. 5. Make a balanced decision regarding Tinker, with a thorough analysis of all games by interested parties and explanations from the suspect. 6. Sticky, take courage in your hands and, regardless of anyone and anything, follow the postulate "The Show Must Go On!".
I watched the game on Jebus. To put it mildly, I'm in shock. That "skill player" is a brutal Chinese player. On the first week he followed the perfect path, picking up 2 external Dragon dwellings and 3 external Manticore dwellings! But here's what blew my mind. On day 117 he stayed in his Castle and went to the GO WITHOUT A TOME! (really, why build a Mage Guild at home when there's only Haste there.) Better to buy a tome right before the GO in a secondary town (which he could not have known about), which has both Shield, Stone Skin, and Haste! + an already available scroll with Slow. Well, then everything is simple. He cuts the Human off from the good stuff, takes the Dragon Utopia, Pandora's Boxes (though he skipped one along the way, why would he need 5k exp) and attacks. LOL, what can I say.
He had only one path and he followed it exactly, there's nowhere else to go there. It's only our fighter who walked around several times (I didn't like it when Mepha took the second Griffin Conservatory - why? - he didn't go to the GO after that, lost at least a day).
One suspicion - he didn't visit the Medusa dwelling on day 114 with the Sharpshooter, which he had planned. But that is explainable - no point in risking it when the money was found. On day 117 he visited the Stables and for some reason didn't take the Pandora's Box with 20 Medusas, he could have taken them and bought the tome on day 121, but the road led upward and he only has 2 Castles, one can assume that he intended to buy the book in that Castle. So I have no particular suspicions about the game, everything is competent, he even sacrificed a single Earth Elemental at the GO. Though he lost 3 Drakes on Cyclopes, I lost 2.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
His trajectory was set, and he followed it exactly — there was nowhere else to go. Only our fighter went back and forth several times (I didn't like it when Mefa took the second Griffin Conservatory — what for? — since she didn't head to ГО afterward — lost at least a day).
One suspicion — he didn't visit the medusa hatchery with the Miner on day 114, as he had planned. But that's understandable — no point in risking it when the money was found. On day 117, he visited the stable and for some reason didn't take the pandora containing 20 gr. medusas — he could have taken them and bought the spell book on day 121, but the road led upward and he only has 2 castles, so one can assume that book needs to be bought in that castle. So I have no particular suspicions about his play — everything is competent, he even sacrificed one Geona on ГО. True, he lost 3 drakes to cyclops, while I lost 2.
Sanya, hand on heart, tell me: did you write this because you truly think so, or because you vouched for him from the start that he's ze best?
Added 1 minute later aka.Ward3n
Tinker's gameplay seemed suspicious... just absolutely ordinary decisions that could be made by absolutely ANY player depending on mood, state of mind, or simply the train of thought.
One thing I don't understand — if Andy and Pete have no issues with each other regarding the game, then why drag each other through the mud publicly? As Edgar Davids said yesterday, personal relationships should remain personal!:smile50:
Yes, I have no authority in the world of Heroes, but stop fighting, just finish the tournament like fighters:smile14: .
And yes, Sticky, what do you mean by complete distrust of the organizer? Rebelius hasn't been vindicated yet, not even on his own portal. So pull yourself together and continue what you started:)
One suspicion – he didn't visit the "Medusyatnya" in Shafton on day 114, which he had planned. But that's understandable – there's no need to take risks when the money is found. On day 117, he visited the stables and, for some reason, didn't take Pandora, where there were 20 gold worth of Medusas. He could have taken them and bought a book for 121, but the road led upwards, and he only had 2 castles. So, it can be assumed that he needed to buy a book in that castle. So, I don't have any particular suspicions about his gameplay; everything was done correctly, even sacrificing Geon on the Grand Order to one of his units. True, he lost 3 dragons to cyclops, and I lost 2.
Honestly, I messed up when I went for the second console... I don't know why it stuck in my memory as a "double," and I needed it for Utopia... There wasn't much to do at the respawn point, and I didn't want to train... Before the Grand Order, I stood there for 2 days because he had already arrived, and I didn't want to go there without gaining an advantage...
Maybe I could have played much better, even on the second week, going to break the Grand Order... but I decided not to risk it.
Scorpiona
