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#403
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Ment, please read the FAQ. It clearly states that all defenses are displayed identically, that's point one. Secondly, in Haven, non-displayed actions are marked. The action of Sion does not have a mark.


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If they share a similar concept, then it definitely isn't Sion, as his concept is quite different. Only Garen and Kayle have a similar concept of defensive abilities, but Revan-Kayle went to Tox.
 

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It is clearly stated there that all defenses are displayed in the same way, that's one thing. Secondly, in Haven, non-displayed actions are marked.
Yeah, that's true. So, it's not beneficial for Zion to show up at all right now, because defending enemies is useless, and defending its own units is a giveaway.
 

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If they align in concept, then it definitely isn't Sion, as his concept is quite different. The only ones with a similar defensive concept are Garen and Kayle, but Revan-Kayle went to Tox.
Oh, maybe you'll stop feeding almost 100% of the peaceful Morning?
I'll explain in detail: in both descriptions, everything revolves around protection, re-aggro, and so on. There are no visible magical manipulations, and I think any chronoshifts and the like would have been described.
From all this, we can conclude: now, thanks to Ment's efforts, Morning will have to be saved at night.


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There are no visible magical manipulations.
Sion, description
Magic shield.
I can say the exact same thing.
Oh, maybe you'll stop losing almost 100% of the peaceful Morning faction?
Will you improve a little?
 

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Ment, why are you so eager to expose peaceful roles? And why are you trying so hard to hide the fact that you're protecting Zion?
In theory, it's not that obvious. On the first night, it makes sense to protect only yourself with 100% certainty. That means a 1 in 3 chance. In this case, Nox killed Kylie, so it became 1 in 2. Maybe that's why you're trying to divert attention from protecting Zion?
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I can say the exact same thing.
I just gave you a link to the frequently asked questions. I'll repeat: all protections are displayed the same way! Therefore, the actions of Zilean and Zion cannot be similar.


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Не думай, что будет потом,
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Okay, Zubr, I understand your hint. Although that would be too harsh, of course, but I can't explain your behavior any other way.
Then we can say that either Sky or Gumer, at least one of them, is not a member of Nox's team.
 

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Then it can be said that either Sky or Gumer, or at least one of them, is not a member of Nox's team.
That's what I started with.
But again, the way the sentence is constructed worries me... You are deliberately focused on finding peaceful players, not mafia members.
I am unable to explain your behavior.
What is there to explain about my behavior? With each of your new posts, the suspicions about you only increase.


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Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
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Conclusion: Either Sky or Gumer, one of the two, is likely a mafia member from Nox's team.
Then it can be said that Sky or Gumer, at least one of them, is not a mafia member from Nox's team.
Do you see the difference?
With each of your new posts, the suspicions about you only increase.
Yeah, I'm just generally suspicious to all sorts of IoP players.
 

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Do you see the difference?
Apparently, you don't, continuing to defend both as much as possible. It's good that you at least didn't write that Nox could have been protecting an innocent, and that both "suspects" might not be Noxians.
Yeah, I'm just very suspicious of all sorts of Ionian people.
That's how you presented yourself with your reasoning.


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Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
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It's good that at least he didn't write that Nox could have been protecting the peaceful player, and that both "suspects" might not be Noxians.
So that later Zubr comes and starts making accusations? Or could they kill one of the blocked players the next night, and then, when he turns out to be peaceful, Zubr comes and says, "Oops, Gumer/Nebo is peaceful, so then Nebo/Gumer is 100% Nox, let's execute him, guys!". No, you're wrong, the Mafia would never come up with that.
 

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Or, you could kill one of the blocked players the next night, and then, when he turns out to be a town member, Zubr will come and say, "Oops, Gumer/Nebo is a town member, so Nebo/Gumer is 100% Mafia, let's eliminate him, guys!". No, you're wrong, the Mafia would never figure that out.
I would vote for that. Wouldn't you?


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Отдай свои прошлые сны,
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Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!


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I think that using Sion is only beneficial if you implement the scheme I described above with a player who is not on Nox's team. Because the probability of killing someone from the Mafia in the first night is 1/5, and the probability of a successful defense is 1/4, assuming they kill Nox. At the beginning of the game, this is disproportionate to the resulting exposure, and it seems to me that the simplest option is for Sion to stay home and not make a move until the middle or end of the game. But if it's not him, but a variant where he protects his own, which is clearly an IO player, then... Although, who knows, maybe they really made such a mistake, but I'm still more inclined to expect strong opponents.
 

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I believe that using Sion is only beneficial if you implement the strategy I described earlier, involving a player who is not on Nox's team. Because the probability of killing someone from the mafia on the first night is 1/5, and the probability of a successful defense is 1/4, assuming Nox is the target. At the beginning of the game, this is disproportionate to the attention it draws, and I think the simplest strategy is for Sion to stay home and not make any moves until the middle or end of the game. But since we're talking about a different scenario, where they're clearly protecting their own, then... Although, who knows, maybe they really made such a mistake, but I'm still more inclined to expect strong opponents.
Cool strategy!)))
1) Nox takes the risk of protecting someone who isn't on their team and has a chance to save someone from the other team.
2) They hope that Kayle will be killed on the first night, randomly! Otherwise, a 1 in 3 chance is simply wasting the defense on imaginary adventures, as so many nuances need to align. With a 1 in 2 chance, your description still works, but it needs to play out that way.
3) On the first night, the Noxians, who don't have innate protection abilities besides Sion, risk exposing both of their main killers to attack in order to potentially eliminate one innocent player over a couple of days.


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Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
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I think the simplest strategy is for Sion to stay at base and not venture out until the mid or late game.
In the mid and late game, he will be less likely to target his own players, there will be fewer roles to fill, and fewer options for retreat.


Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!


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