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In reply to dnaop-wr
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dnaop-wr
I'm not saying I'm a fan of using explosives. I just recalculated. And if you change the conditions, it can be defeated in 2 hits with the same artifacts and a pure strength of 6, meaning it's no problem at all. It's just a waste of 50 mana.
And also - to defeat them in 1 hit, you need to put them in one slot, meaning your army needs to be twice as powerful. Otherwise, if it's the other way around, the skeletons will scatter like fleas across 7 slots - then you definitely won't have enough mana.
How will they scatter? Or are you talking about defeating neutral creatures?
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Otherwise, if it's the other way around, the skeletons will scatter like fleas across 7 slots – then you definitely won't have enough mana.
And then they'll be – corpses (tautology =) ) because it's much easier to separate stack after stack than one full stack, which might also include even stronger units in the same army. ;)
"Никто не уходит из героев вечно", - убедился на личном опыте, гоняю в сингле до сих пор :D
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How are they supposed to scatter? Or are you talking about clearing out neutral creatures?
Probably the latter, because a unit of 50,000 skeletons was mentioned in the thread – it's unlikely that such an army would be led by a hero; it's more likely a pre-set map configuration.
Техника в руках индейца мертва.
Справочник по НоММ-4 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-heroes-iv.html
Памятка по НоММ-3 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii.html
и HotA http://handbookhmm.ru/vyishla-obnovlennaya-pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii-hota.html
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Let's say a player, facing a Necromancer, decided to follow hunter98's advice in the dnaop-wr variation – they maxed out their magic power to 26, acquired Titan armor and the Earth Sphere, learned the Explosion spell, and can now obliterate a legion of skeletons with a single hit, and went to attack the Necromancer. But the Necromancer lives in the cursed lands... and Explosion, Meteor Shower, and Lightning don't work there; only the Mage's Arrow deals damage. In this case, there are two options:
1) optimistic. Attack the Necromancer's troops with the Mage's Arrow; at least with a magic power of 36, it deals some damage. But it's still not quite what was expected.
2) pessimistic. While the player was leveling up to level 24 and acquiring the armor and sphere, the Necromancer had time to follow my advice and acquire different armor (gold) and a different sphere (of prohibition). What should the player do with their super magic power of 36 points in that case?
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Rustam from Ch

ale!! make up your mind about what you're talking about. Are you talking about a game against the Necropolis AI on some drawn map, or a human-vs-human game on a random map?
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Rustam, Necropolis creatures are generated on dirt, not on cursed ground.
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I apologize, yes, you are right, in my memory, fragments of situations from different specific maps get mixed up with the general patterns of the game.
And I rarely play with people because I have to constantly be distracted from the computer due to my young children.
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By the way, for those who think that there can't be 50000 skeletons in Heroes:
/topic/at/535725/
There you go!
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
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I was talking about online play; there's no such thing.

And I've not only seen 120k liches, but I've also controlled them :D
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Well, with Necromancers, there are generally no problems with the AI; the AI doesn't "thin out" the skeletons very well. I remember when I was just starting to play and didn't know much about the heroes, I would mostly get beaten by 200% from Conflux. In games where the AI captures a second Castle through Conflux and, thanks to the double growth rate (8 Phoenixes per week from two Castles), a good mage hero, and an abundance of resources, it grows very quickly, plus magic in the form of Earth or Water Elementals, etc. (whatever it summons). I remember the AI playing as Crag Hack, it would come with all sorts of nonsense but would absolutely dominate and not just in one game (it wouldn't capture, but it would destroy almost the entire army, and it would always break into the Castle with ballistas). And once, Inferno came with a bunch of demons (a paradox, but somehow it managed to recruit them =)). Moreover, it was clear that all the stacks were proportional to each other, and the stack of unupgraded demons was very large and clearly did not correspond to the standard growth rates. But I've never seen the AI gather more than 1000-2000 skeletons; in my opinion, the Necromancer AI is weak. These were just thoughts about the AI in the game. It's a bit off-topic, but it just brought back some memories =)
Taking this opportunity, I'll ask: in almost all games, there are bots with a higher level of artificial intelligence, but I've never encountered one in Heroes 3 (I haven't even looked for one). Maybe there's a version where the AI doesn't just go crazy, but at least doesn't act stupidly, even with equal resources.
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Marmot
By the way, for those who think that there can't be 50,000 skeletons in Heroes:
/topic/at/535725/
That's how it is!
By the way, I remembered one amazing "bug." On a map where you need to collect 15 Creature Dwellings, I lingered for about a year (I was playing at the very beginning and was learning). By the way, he has always liked taking Diplomacy and joining legions; of course, the game took a year. So: I had large armies of 10k each, etc., but the AI had much stronger legions with an 80% chance (for pawns)! He had -23k Vampire Lords, and I thought it was over, but they died from one hit. I couldn't handle the rest of the legions because I was still learning. The version was Erafia by Buki. I still remember it; it was such a shock that I won't forget it!!!
"Никто не уходит из героев вечно", - убедился на личном опыте, гоняю в сингле до сих пор :D
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Guys, what hero can defeat the Necromancer Galtran, who specializes in skeletons, if he already has more than 4,500 skeletons? (1v1 battle against a human player). He has the Sphere of Inhibition and is an expert in speed (slowing him down doesn't work =()
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caiiikacom

Who is considered a "speed expert"? Probably an expert in air magic + a speed spell, but with a spell of prohibition, it doesn't matter...
"Cursed Armor" can be very helpful here. Another option is a powerful attack stack + a fast single unit, but a super stack is more typical for necromancers.
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Geksorin
and when there are many Faeries, they deal great damage to Skeletons and Vampires!
And when there are many Faeries, they deal great damage to Skeletons and Vampires!

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AlexeyPank
Vampires can deal serious damage. Therefore, hit the Vampires first.
A lot of damage will be dealt, and the opponent will also deal good damage during this time. In my opinion, it's better to hit those who deal increased damage first – Black Knights and Dragons, possibly Liches. Vampires will have to be allowed to attack a couple of times. Attack them when the rest of the army has already been defeated, and overwhelm them with everything... This is when there is a significant advantage in strength. But when the armies are roughly equal, it may be necessary, damn it, to hit them first, because with what remains, they may not even be killed...

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And also. Many here advise which magic to cast before the battle. But there is such an unpleasant factor as Slow, especially if the opponent is not a fool and has single Dragon units or a split unit. If you manage to cast Slow on the main unit, and then the Knights + Vampires attack, and if the Skeletons also attack (because you can also speed up your allies in this case), what will be left? Wouldn't it be wiser to save the ability to Dispel/Heal while the Dragons are still in the battle? What do the masters think about this?
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Hey everyone, maybe it's been discussed before, but it's hard to find:)

What should you do with any castle against skeletons that, with a little effort, grow to 30-40k by the fifth month?

They destroy any nest ><

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